I've posted before about in-law care-giving. Aged mother in law, lives in same town.
We are at the tail end of a visit from sister in law from several states away. Sister in law has been here for 3 weeks caring for her mother. A much welcome respite.
It had been discussed, prior to her arrival here on the scene, she would be talking it over with her mother, to try and get her mom to come up to her home, for a stay of maybe a few months.
This, in my opinion, is absolutely essential, as I am expecting twin grand-children, due in about 1 month (if they don't come sooner, as is the case a lot of times with multiples pregnancies). The expectant mother also lives locally here, and has a 4 year old daughter. I will be on that front, helping .. as much as is needed. And not on the front with mother in law and care-giving, and have made that as obvious and apparent as I know how to make it. It would be great if mother in law would agree to go to her daughter's home (several states away) for a period of a few months .. and allow me the latitude to put my energies where I want them to be, on my daughter who will have had a c-section .. and my grand-daughter (4 years old) and new twin babies.
Nothing doing. Mother in law has dug in her heels, and will not hear of it, going to stay with her daughter for any period of time.
What are her reasons?
In mother in law's defense ... her daughter ... I don't even know how to describe it. I will say that when her daughter comes here to visit, she all but breathes for her mother and if she could find a way to do that, she'd do that too. She is the most nervous nelly, never sit down - ever ... worry wart, do everything, all the time .. person that I've ever encountered.
A great example, as I was taking her to the airport yesterday for her departure, . I reached into the fridge to grab myself a bottled water and shut the fridge and turned to walk away, as I've done for all of my 50 plus years living on this earth .. and she said to me, "Oh make sure that fridge shut". WTH???? Like I don't know how to shut a fridge? That's just a small, very small slice of what she is ... how she is.
She is so very hyper-vigilant, seeing to every minute details down to it's finest most minuscule point, fine tooth comb, questioning every point along the way, "should we do thus and so, but maybe if we do thus and so, then such and such will happen, maybe we should do it thus and so .. but then so and so might happen, maybe we shouldn't do thus and so, but do "x" "y" and "z" instead, but if we don't do it that way then ..........", on and on and on and on it goes. And usually in hyper warp speed, as to every single friggin thing.
If her mother moans .. "what's wrong mother?, why did you moan, are you alright?".
Mother: "Yes, I'm fine, I was just sighing out loud".
Sister: "Why did you sigh? Are you hurting, are you sure you're alright, why are you sighing what's the matter?"
Mother: "For God's sake __________________, I was just sighing, .. calm down, I'm fine".
Sister: "Are you sure, .. because if something is wrong you need to tell me".
Mother: "Everything is fine, I'm fine".
Sister: "Are you sure, we did a lot yesterday, did we do too much, maybe we shouldn't of gone to two doctors in one day .. was that too much for you, are you too tired now, maybe we need to move those other doctor appointments so we won't have two in one day, is that too much for you, for one day .. is that why you were sighing .. what's wrong, are you sure you're alright".
Hopefully that kinda gives a little bit of a snapshot of what goes on when sister is in the ring directing things.
So in mother in law's defense.. I do get it, why she wouldn't be chomping at the bit to go to her daughter's home.
BUT ....
The only experience she has with her daughter, in the last years as mother in law has aged and been unable to go anywhere much, has been the daughter coming here, periodically, for periods of about 3 weeks at a stretch. When her daughter comes here, she moves heaven and earth for her mother and then some, and doesn't sit down, doesn't stop .. the WHOLE ENTIRE TIME.
Is there a possibility maybe (as I said to mother in law, when she expressed that isn't happening - talking to me - her going to her daughters .. ever) .. could it be possible that maybe if you would go to where she lives .. she'd be more busy managing her own life in that setting than your's and she would get out of your backside .. and not be as hyper-drive-vigilant as you experience in her, when she's here, could that be possible.
The daughter is retired, lives several states away. Does come here, generally, every few months .. and stays for a period of about 3 weeks at a stretch. I wish I could make a list of everything the daughter did when here this last time, but it would take up the whole character allotment:
"I thought your mom can manage .. she's sure said it enough .. GOD knows she's said it enough, and you've fallen in lockstep with that line of thought, .. why are you exhausted *managing* for your mom .. I thought she manages fine".
I didn't respond with that .. but that's what it was begging for. Her lamenting that she is now exhausted with trying to manage things for her husband with his latest health issue as well as her mom.
That's the whole thing that has so incensed me, all along. If she's fine and can manage, then why are you all up in it. Leave her be, she can manage. RIGHT?!?!?
Oh wait .. no ... I guess maybe she doesn't. But far be it from YOU or HER to admit that. So fine, go pull your hair out trying to "manage" for her, from afar. Leave me out of it.
I hope you can see how much your stepping back is actually resulting in a more realistic way of thinking about MIL. Good job!
I'm sure that almost everyone who has lived this whole thing with "enabling" vs "helping" the elder in their lives, I'm sure they have their sentiments. Maybe sentiments they don't share. I know I certainly would, watching this saga in someone that I might know.
SIL did text me later today while I was sitting with the babies and I explained that, in response "Have the babies right now, mommy has gone to the doc with the 4 yo". Didn't stop her, .. she went on with her reason for texting me. She went on to say that she's been in touch with MOW .. and it looks as though they can begin service as early as end of this week. I responded, "great, sounds like a plan". She then responded to that telling me that between working the angle with her husband and his latest health crises and her mother here on this end, .. that her mother has really had some struggles in recent days. I only responded, "Good your husband is doing well, from what I hear". She said in response (trying to pull me in, so clearly seen by me) ... "yes it is good he's doing well, I don't know how I'd manage mom's life and his .. it's good he's doing so well with it all, he's always been a cooperative patient .. seems like his mania is a bit out of control so we're having to work that angle also .. mom, it seems like she has become more aware that she needs more help".
At that I simply responded, "I'm sure it's all exhausting, good luck with it all, gotta run, babies need me".
She then texted again, but I didn't respond any further. Her words: "Maybe with my working with the agency in your area about aging .. and the services I'm working to get in place for her, .. maybe then one day when she needs to transition into a facility, maybe all of this leg work will go a long way towards helping that, since she now says that she doesn't want to come here to live with me, .. ever ... and I know I can't come there .. not with B (her DH) having so many health concerns of his own".
I didn't even respond, and don't intend to.
I'm sure she was looking for me to hop on in with something akin to: "Well that's great news. Your mom has always been so hard headed about accepting any help, .. maybe now .. now that she's being more cooperative about help from 3rd parties, .. let me know where I can help".
I have no doubt that she'd of loved to have heard that from me. Nope.
My feelings at this point .. *let's see how ready she is to accept help from 3rd parties, I'll believe it when I see it*.
I know as a young mommie I had no idea what I was doing (I was an only child myself) and I had no family to help me. I read lots of things about child rearing by other young ladies, and decided on one that seemed the most loving, but which ran me ragged serving the child who did not know as much as I was giving him credit for! When I was burned out after 4 years, I turned to experts - adults who'd raised children to adulthood - and listened to their adivice. It was: to set and enforce boundaries. I see my DIL making the same mistakes I made, and I tried to explain boundaries, but itonly made her mad that I was telling her how to raise her baby. 2 years later, she's starting to set bondaries, though she's not enforcing them yet. I'm staying out of it.
This is the same thing the experts at the hospital and people who know you all at church and who don't say anything are thinking. Their words would fall on deaf ears, so it's better to stay out of it. But they support you making boundaries and enforcing them, which is exactly what they are doing by not speaking up! They are enforcing their personal boundary of not telling people how to run their lives. You just don't see them, but they are all rooting for you!
These last 7 years, since the day my mom's bp got measured at 260/118 (I'm looking at the note I wrote myself on 12/01/09) and my sil called 911 have been ones of exhaustion, nonstop "going".
Even with a cooperative elder, this is a long and painful ride. Read up; Roz Chast's Can't We talk about something more Pleasant" and Atul Gawande On Being Mortal come to mind.
I have fought that battle and lost. Have to pick our battles. For less than $50 a month .. I won't bother ...
But you are right, .. I bet once that gets up and going .. if it does .. (MIL has always refused it in the past) ... I bet one can go over there on any given day and find a stack of uneaten MOW's in the fridge. Waste of $.
It made my day start out, with a sadness. Sadness because I know how frail and needy she is. But also, sad .. I know DH's world. I live it with him. He truly doesn't have the time it takes to manage all this. No one does. And it's all for naught anyway. Manage this crises .. doing every hoop of fire that's put in front of you to jump through .. and the next one comes, and the next one and the next one.
I hate it for all of us. I could very easily remedy this issue ... by calling and offering to get MIL to doc. I won't. I've been there/done that, bought the t-shirt and have worn it til it's threadbare.
I guess, so begins the slippery slide off that cliff that I've referred to here so many times. This time, the "enabler" isn't front and center in it all.
(As far as chipping in for MOW, that shouldn't be happening. MIL should be paying for her own food, and if she can't do that, she shouldn't have a dog with expensive food. And it sounds like she really can't take care of the dog, anyway.)
Keep us updated! You are doing GREAT!!!
In the eyes of the law she's a competent adult; they can't force compliance any more than you can.
They too are waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I don't know why ... and I can't sit and pontificate it .. have tried ... why they won't do the shoulder to the wheel, hard job of forcing the issue with MIL. I don't know why. I guess, because .. all along, they've had me in the gap as a measure to assure that things sail along relatively okay. As long as I'll skip to the beat of that music.
It's hard .. very hard.
Hard for me to be knowledgeable (because I know how frail and ailing she is .. that's WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING if anyone is listening and they haven't/aren't). I know how frail she is ..
The very thought that she is in a weakened state once again (the cycle continually repeats) .. and this time .. I'm not there to help ... to take her to the doc .. to get the attention to matters at hand.
Does no good damnit!
Take her to the doc, they advise thus and so, it isn't followed .. unless someone is there to spoon feed instructions.
I hate this. I feel .. a pang of .. that it seems cruel. I'm not cruel .. I'm not going to enable any longer, is my approach here. But the reality, the on-the-ground reality of it all, is hard hard hard.
I am going later today, thankfully, to sit with twins .. while dd takes 4 yo for a doc visit and shots .. and I offered to help with the twins, so she wouldn't have to lug them along. Thankfully I do have an agenda for the day. No directives have come my way .. but if they did .. I have my day mapped out.
I'm trying in between, to get ready for the out of town company coming this weekend, and my day yesterday was hi-jacked by dd in need (but I'm always willing to help there, .. in that situation, it is indeed help .. it isn't enabling).
That used to be the case, all along, .. I'd have my day planned and it would get up ended by all the above .. and I'd hop to that beat ... and then be resentful and angry that my time and energy is spent in a fruitless endeavor of trying to right MIL's course .. when in the end.. there is no "righting it".
It's not a matter that one more pill, one more gadget, one more this or that, is going to "right" the course of things for her. I see that .... but apparently, other than this AC message board .. I am alone in that sentiment.
AC friends are the best💜
In functional families, there is free and open discussion of what is going on and everyone gets heard. Requests get made, i.e., Rusty (my SIL) , I'm tied up on Thursday in meetings, can you take mom to the doctor and we'll talk on Friday about what she recommended? Then we'd chat about what recs were made and how to implement them. And my mother always accepted help that was offered and understood when things couldn't be perfect.
Guestshop is right; you are being triangulated. YOU are not going get sucked into the dysfunctional "oh if only we get the right test/exercisebike/pill/gate mom will be fine".
It's sad that you have to restrain your loving and caring impulses this way, but the help you were giving wasn't helping. It was enabling further dysfuction.
Sitting having our morning coffee this morning, as we start most days. DH gets a number of texts on his phone. Turns out it's from SIL.
Worry ...
Mother has to drive herself to the doctor today and she's so worried about her, she's so weak/frail .. and would it be possible for him to be able to take her.
This is the text that is incoming to him ... he goes on to mention .. (he read the above .. I didn't ask, don't even want to know truly) .... mentions that we may need to chip in on MOW for MIL .. that she isn't eating .. sounds like it'll be less than $50 a month for each of us to chip in on it all .. that the nurse had come by and I guess, MIL's BP was jacked up (that is not typical for her, her BP runs low, always). Said the nurse had peeked into the freezer .. and all the frozen meals that SIL left here for MIL .. they are still there .. packed solid in the freezer, that mother isn't eating them .. but said the nurse told her, those are loaded with sodium and she needs to not be eating those .. so we may need to kick in on the expense of having MOW brought in.
This is all him talking out loud .. to no one in particular .. though it was just me there with him.
He said (again, out loud to no one) .. "I can't take her to the doctor .. I don't have time ... she needs .. mom needs to be where she can get more help, I know that ... ", he says with a resignation of almost sadness.
He then says (I wasn't asking, he was just talking out loud .. thinking out loud I guess) .. her legs/ankles swelling, her BP jacked up ... she has to get to the doctor and is going to have to get herself there and sister is worried ....
Thankfully I wasn't summoned at all for any of it. I didn't want to start my day out with animosity .. but THIS is the very thing that happens continually. And so it begins.
The only comment I made was the following: "Well that's great if you guys have gotten her on the page with MOW .. she's always been so staunchly against doing that, not wanting someone coming to her door .... she has always steadfastly refused to have any part of that .. that and the fact she used to help prepare those meals, in her younger years thru a community service project via her church and she was always less than impressed with what she saw as the foods offered or whatever .. that's great if she's on that page now".
He said with a sadness almost, and a resignation of not sure at all, "yea .. we'll see .. not sure she's gonna go for that .. but she's not eating .. I know that".
I changed the subject .... purposely.
I don't know what he responded to his sister, don't care. Nothing I'm going to do to facilitate any of it, thus I don't need to know.
Does no good for me to provide any of my input, seen that several hundred times.
It does, all of it though, .. bring forth in me, some anguish and anxiety and some frustration.
I didn't say it, because I wasn't asked to participate in any way (thankfully). But I just feel like, .. you guys can't work both ends against the middle here, that's not how it works. We've done that for years .. and SIL breezes in here every few months and works like a dog .. and then leaves .. assuring all is fine .. mother will manage just fine .. MIL states so adamantly "I'm fine, .. I know what to do and I will do it, I will manage here". So .. that's the approach you guys allow ............... until all h*ll begins breaking loose .. and then it's me .. that has to put the pieces of it all together again. Not doing it. You don't get to have it both ways. If she's fine .. then by d*mn .. she's fine .. she'll manage. If she isn't, .. then why the hell all the worry .. do what you need to do to get her more help, both you and your sister.
I didn't have to say any of the above, . and I likely wouldn't of .. it's been said, at least a few hundred times. Does no good.
I didn't add any input ... at all. Other than the MOW portion of the conversation. So now, as far as I'm concerned .. SIL can wring her hands from afar .. with worry that her mother is driving herself to the doctor .... in her weakened/frail state .. (she's fine remember, isn't that the approach we're all to buy into) ... she can sit up there 1K miles away and wring her hands with worry .. or she can summon a neighbor to help, if they're available (MIL would be LIVID with her if she did that) .. she can encourage her mom to use UBER or a taxi .. or she can work the angle of getting her mother more services locally .. one of which is medical transport to doc visits ... (her mother would hands-down refuse that .. any of the above). So wring your hands with worry then.
And so it begins ....
I feel as though I'm kind of in a vacuum as far as anything MIL related. For the most part, I'm okay with that. I did talk with her via phone the other day. She called here and I almost didn't answer it simply because I don't want to be pulled into it all again. But I did go ahead and answer it and she didn't "need" anything, just catching up, how are the babies, that kinda thing. And then she unloaded some family gossip .. and that's about it.
If there is anything amiss with the whole situation w/regard to her, I'm not in the know about it.
I do still, though, kinda wait for that other heavy shoe to drop.
First and foremost, MIL will, at all cost, .. avoid a hospital stay/confinement. She, because she is a fall risk, is put on a bed alarm. I've never had to weather such, so shouldn't be judgmental about how she reacts to it all. But to see her in that setting, where she isn't allowed to get out of a chair/bed without an alarm going off, summon for assistance, you would think she is a prisoner and has been remanded to a 6" x 6" cell in solitary confinement.
I'm sure it's not pleasant to have to be THAT DEPENDENT upon when/if the hospital staff will FINALLY come and disarm the d*mned thing .. so they can "assist" you to the bathroom .. or whatever. But it's hard for me to be very compassionate. There are worse things. At least you CAN get out of the bed, there are those who cannot. But let's don't even consider that, let's b*tch and wail and act like it's the worst thing in the world.
She will avoid almost at any cost, anything that looks even remotely like it could land her in a confined stay at the hospital.
What that has looked like in the past, .. and me a willing participant (until recently) ... perhaps 911 personnel summoned .. and they are there on site, dealing with her, taking vitals, ... advising a transport to ER .. and her refusing .. and making excuses, "no, I'll be fine, .. no I'm just dehydrated I think, I will be fine, I'll just need to drink more, no I'm fine, no I'm not going to the hospital". 911 personnel then leave.
Problem, whatever the problem is/was .. persists. This then requires more summoning of offspring (in the past, me) ... to assist, bring her this (liquids), bring her that (BRAT diet foods) ........ and since you're coming that way .. can you also pick up __________ and __________ and when you're here .. if you would take a look at ___________. You get there, you see she is so weak that she isn't really able to ambulate well, to hydrate and/or fix herself anything to eat. You stick around for a while to facilitate same ... and ck on her, .. make sure she's going to be alright, .. make sure you stress to her the importance of hydrating, eating the (BRAT) right things .. etc etc etc. . maybe caution against those swollen lower extremities and is she taking meds, .. on and on it goes.
Next day same story ... out there again, to ck on her ..
Maybe by now she has decided a visit to the PCP would be in order, and so can you help with that .. can you get her to the PCP appt.
So you go, you take care of that. There, they want to run lab work, they want her to be seen at the lab (separate site) for that .. and so can you get her there ... and PCP cautions against doing what she's been doing that is worsening her state of being, .. as you've also done the countless times you've been on the scene to nurse this along .. as she refuses to go to ER as it might mean a confinement in the hospital, in-patient.
Thus ...
I have stepped back from all that madness. And glad I did.
BUT .....
Her offspring ... a daughter who will, if she's here, follow the letter of the law above .. and do anything within her power also, to keep her mother out of having to be confined inpatient.
Her son ...
He simply hasn't had to be on that front, .. having a wife (me) who has run interference on it all for more than a decade.
Yes, he has been called upon (and done it) to go stay o'nite in the event she is too ill/weak to be able to manage. But .. the daily .. going to do the above .. he has been able to dodge all of that .. all this time .. because he's busy working and his wife was kind enough to step in, in his stead, and do it (until now).
What will be the case going forward .. will DH .. step to the beat of the above drum .. and be there to nurse his mother along ... and cook for her, .. and keep her hydrated, .. be there on site .. make sure BRAT diet is followed, .. make sure meds are being taken .. day in and out, as she refuses an inpatient stay.
Doubtful.
What he'd be more apt to do is turn in my direction, "I have to work here, I don't have time for this ... if you'll just come stay with mother during the day and see it through, then I'll come in from work and clock in and you can go home".
"Can't you just do this one thing .. why are you being so unreasonable".
I'm not being unreasonable, .. people in her state .. should be confined inpatient .. where they can be looked after by trained medical professionals .. and that is what I think should occur, if you think differently, then you do differently, don't expect me to do so. If she can't ambulate well enough to look after her own well being, then she needs to be in a setting where there can be assistance to do so.
So, yes, .. easy to say ... "she can call 911".
She won't. She will call upon her son (or me, though she seems to have somehow sensed that I am no longer on that front .. that I am busy with babies .. and I am). She will call upon her son ... and he will drop what he's doing to go ck on his mother. And when there, .. he may call 911 .. even on his way there. But see above, as it plays out, .. he will return to his world, having cautioned his mother what she should do .. and then resume his existence. All for it to continue sliding off the cliff, and more summoning for him to come that way .. and he'll dutifully do so ... all the while, pulling at me to step to the front and lead the charge.
We haven't gotten there again .. not yet .... because, I suspect, ... the home health nurse is there 2 and 3 x's weekly .. and so is keeping things, relatively on course ... that and MIL's most recent hospital stay .. she is bound and determined to do all she can to avoid that pitfall again .. (for now).
But it's coming ... not a doubt in my mind. Not "if", but "when".
Even if MIL ends up in the hospital (can she call 911?), it is not your responsibility to rush to the hospital. It's H's mother, after all. Let him deal with it.
For a long long time I kept engaged in all of this with the mindset, "well she can't be here all the time". And that is true. And the further mindset .. "when she does come, she doesn't stop from the time her feet hit the front door there, til she walks out to return home".
But somewhere in it all, .. it became too much, .. to do all that needed doing (right now things seem stable, but I'd be the last to know .. and if they are stable, . it's because there is outside engagement from others, which MIL so staunchly/adamantly refused for so long).
It became rather apparent to me, like as clear as glass ... ya know ... when SIL is at home, she has only herself and her husband to concern herself with. Her kids .. two of them .. grown and gone with their own lives .. one living way on the other side of the globe entirely, the other a person who enjoys her social life and has little to do with SIL as her mother, socially anyway. SIL can easily come here every few months and stand on her head for the few weeks she's here, absent the encumbrances of what needs doing in her own world at home. I don't have that luxury. I still work (for my husband, and that gives me a LOT of flexibility .. but not always it doesn't). I have my g'children that live here, and damnit I'm entitled to want to spend time with them. It just became glaringly obvious that I too, given that set of circumstances, .. could breeze into town for a few weeks at the time and literally turn cartwheels doing everything under the sun, then breeze out as fast .. and return to my normal life. I wasn't living that life. I was here, .. trying to be all/do all with regard to MIL . .. yet manage my own responsibilities and wants in life and stressing and failing miserably.
It is a lot better at present. Granted, guardedly so. I don't exhale for a minute ... it's coming. I don't know when/how, but it's coming. MIL will have some other maladies/calamities .. and then .. I better be steeled to stand my ground. Because it is coming. DH will be phoning me, from wherever he is, in the middle of whatever he's into at work, .. and the expectation ............ "won't you just do this one thing, it's just this one thing". No. I won't. She can manage, that's what I've been told, let her manage.
It's a dicey place to be. Kind of holding one's breath, waiting for the other shoe to drop. I do see, clearly, SIL tries .. to engage me again. Vigilant to be on the lookout for same and resist.
What you said about enjoying the birthday party as a grandma hit a chord with me. You absolutely deserve to enjoy those moments with your grandchildren just as you tried to assure MIL was part of all the family events for years.
Don't feel guilty either. You've earned it.
Time will tell how things evolve with the MIL. That we can't control. But it's time her children assumed her care, address her whims, reason with her to try to get her to make he right choices to keep herself healthy.
You gave 1000%. Its time they step up and do their part.
Keep up the good work in dealing with your SIL. She is still looking for ways to get you to do her work. Eventually (we hope) she will "get it".
Oh I agree, .. if he wants her to be a part of things, by all means, go get her and make it happen. She is more than welcome to join the family dinner out if she'd care to do so and if he'd care to make it happen so she can be there. I don't have a problem at all with that. I know she won't care a thing in the world about trying to get to the go-karts and do that whole part of it, so would want to be taken home. And yes, you're probably right, what better time to get her "to do" list seen to. So be it. His mom.
I know it was interesting the other night, .. we'd had the kids over for grilled steaks. I purposely set one aside for a plate for MIL. Didn't know, at least initially, how that would get to her, .. but did definitely have one purposely for her. Along with a baked potato and some mushrooms, etc.
So, dinner is over now .. we're all finishing up our plates .. the girls are in the kitchen on clean up duty and I said out loud, "be sure and make a plate and cover it for MIL". At that point I turned to DH, "will you be taking your mom's plate out to her".
His answer, .. sad faced ... "but I don't want to have to leave .. we're all here ... ".
DD said back to him in response, .. almost with a face of *oh well* ... "your mom!".
He then, with resignation of knowing .. true ....... said, "okay, make a plate .. I'll run it out there to her". And off he went, leaving the rest of us here to enjoy one another.
Doesn't sound like she gave him any *to do* list while there .. in fact, he took the 4 yo with him (MIL so thoroughly enjoys the 4 yo when she can have an opportunity to visit with her). And it sounds like that's what transpired, she just enjoyed and visited with the 4 yo, and DH .. sounds like he sacked out in the recliner for a while, and viewed his smartphone and such .. for a bit.
So, yea .. if he wants to facilitate getting that done .. to make her a part of things, by all means. But he won't think about it, not unless I prompt him to do so and I'm not going to do it .. and then have it be my fault that he's now stuck with caring for his mom instead of enjoying the little bday gathering. That can be on him.
Let H invite and make all of the arrangements for his mother to attend the dinner out for gd's birthday (including issuing the invitation). HE can be the one to bring her back home after the dinner while everyone else goes on to the ko-carts. MIL will probably try to get him to do things in her house when he drops her off, but, again, that will be HIS problem.
(And if it doesn't even occur to him to even invite her, oh well!)
But SIL - that is triangulation/manipulation again. Whose great-granddaughter is it? Oh, yeah. MIL. Narcissists love to get someone else to ask for them so that they are not the ones constantly asking. Remember, MIL is managing for herself (by getting SIL to rally the troops).
*strange game, the only way to win is NOT TO PLAY.*
I wish we could just take conversations with them at face value. But you can't. As you saw, the foot thing continued despite you NOT taking the bait. So very proud of you. I know it's hard for a generous, compassionate person to not just jump in and try to help. I think it was Barb's relation that said some people are their own worst enemy. A friend of mine with diabetes she has trouble controlling used to play the food games with me. Can't eat here or there - nothing on menu. So I'd let her choose restaurant and darnedest thing, she would load up on bread and order dessert. So it wasn't fear of diabetes and blood sugar at all...it is about power and control. It would be easier if we didn't care about them or had no good history. But you do have to set boundaries. Again, good for you and enjoy the go-karts (I actually had the same friend suggest that we change MY SON'S party plans because she didn't like mini golf and could not manage course to be something she could handle not what he specifically requested). I declined:)
MIL has a terrible time with shoes period. Because of the edema that is a constant issue (issue covered here previously, take the Lasix like you need to and that might go a long way to alleviate some of that swelling). An absolutely horrible time with shoes.
In fact, at home .. (and yes yes yes and YES ............... has been cautioned this is a horrible thing for her to be doing) .. at home .. a lot of times you'll find her in just socks .. yes I know. Nightmare. No traction for her feet, ... and no balance support. Horrible! Socks, .. vs barefoot .. because her feet get so cold. But .. see above, and her with a horrible time of it with shoes. So she opts .. at home .. for socks.
For venturing out, her general *go-to* are some various sandals that she has. All of which would have some sort of adjustable strap .. to accommodate the constant edema issue. That would be her shoe of choice, most always (flat yes).
She also has, for in the winter .. sneakers .. has found that NB brand .. seems to have a better "fit" for her. But that too, problematic depending on the swelling/edema issue . in that one has to lace them up and tie them .. and if there is marked swelling, there are times when a sneaker .. it won't even go on those swollen feet.
The nun shoes, ... I think they only way you'd ever get those on MIL's vain self is after she is dead. She'd never be caught dead in anything so unsightly and "that's for old people".
And no, those inserts are not going to work when you are someone that lives in socks .. and then the other, sandals .. as to your footwear.
But again, .. a point that previously, I'd of been on the front lines advocating and trying to convince MIL that she needs to not wear sandals .. so that she can wear these inserts inside of her shoe .. on and on and on .. to no avail. Not going there with her.
I've debated with her the whole socks thing and how absolutely horribly dangerous that is. Does no good. I have no idea if the home health people that were assigned, .. were they at all successful in getting her to see that socks for footwear .. a big no no. I haven't asked.
What sort of shoes does your mil wear generally? If she's got balance issues, I would hope that she is already wearing flat, supportive comfort shoes.
I always remember when my grandma was finished rehabbing from a broken hip (this was in 1966), she came home to our house and was having trouble walking, even with her walker. My mother and aunt were stumped by this. I was 13 years old and walked in on all three of them puzzling over the issue.
I looked down at grandma's feet and asked "why is she wearing high heels?" (my grandma used to wear what I still think of as nun's shoes--1 1/2 Cuban heeled oxfords. My mother thought I was being fresh and asked "so what kind of shoes do YOU think she should be wearing?" Nurse's shoes, I replied and flounced out.
Guess what? They got grandma nurse shoes and she could walk again!
They have specialized shoes (none of which MIL would be caught dead wearing) ... but also some kind of inserts for shoes ... and they were very expensive. There were two kinds of inserts, one fits the entire sole of the shoe, the other fits the heel of the shoe, not as expensive. MIL opted for the less expensive .. after we'd made a trip there, .. and left with nothing, later deciding to go back (with me facilitating this .. not sure at all why I had to be on the forefront of all this). We go back and get the "heel" insert. Only to, later, .. she determines that isn't sufficient .. and so maybe she should've gotten the entire sole insert. Back we go again .. and she tries, there in the store, the insert (we'd done this before on the two prior trips), the full sole insert and walking in it, only to determine in the end, she didn't want to spend the $ for it, and wasn't at all sure it would be helpful.
THIS ....... was the story of that rabbit hole. So many of them.
I have no idea if what SIL is referring to, .. some mold that the foot doctor makes of the foot and then a orthotic of some sort made from that, which inserts into the shoe .. and the above scenario, played out several years back, are they one in the same scenario. Don't know.
But you can bet I won't be on that front this time to find out, nor will I even be debating the finer points of the above .. with SIL. You want your mom to see if that might be helpful to her, .. fine by me ... you guys knock yourselves out .. go for it .. and she "can manage".
Yes, how things have changed indeed. Most definitely trying to bait me.
Got another text from her last night ... after not even answering the previous one earlier in the morning.
This text then was asking isn't my g'daughter's bday coming up. Responded that yes, it is .. next Tuesday (she will now be officially 4 yo .. I have been referring to her all along as a 4 yo .. because she's so close to being 4). I answered that yes, her bday is next Tuesday.
She asked if we have a big party planned.
THIS ....
Another "bait" to see if it's something that MIL can be included in.
If you had any idea how many *occasions/gatherings* I have moved heaven and earth to make sure that MIL is a part of it all. And would do so again, in the right setting .... but not as readily as has been done in the past. So so so many ....
There was a time when this kinda thing .. we'd of had a family gathering .. and done it at MIL's house (MIL does so enjoy the 4 yo .. she gets a real kick out of watching her play and interact). There was a time .. absolutely .... we'd of planned a cook out or something .. and done it purposely at MIL's house .. so that she can be made a part of things. And all of it at my behest .. generally .. somewhere in there .. there'd have been a prompt from SIL 1K miles away .. that her mom would sure enjoy being a part of whatever we're doing.
It brings back to mind .. the many times I've done all that is possible to try to accommodate making MIL a part of the scene. And the reality that is no longer the case.
I think of most recently when it was DH's 60th bday in June. SIL on the front of that whole thing wanting that we make MIL part of whatever we set up to honor that occasion. We were to have a cookout here at my house (DH's request, loves to grill out). I wasn't interested, at all, .. in moving the whole show to MIL's house. I recall SIL asking did I think MIL would be able to come, would we go get her .. and then the concern became that our toilet doesn't have those brace bars .. and did I think maybe we could get some of those .. so that MIL could get up and down off the toilet when here (it's been a problem for her, when she's been here, to do so).
I found out that my son in law's folks .. they had a potty chair, one that fits over a toilet .. basically a bedside portable commode, with no bucket .. one can sit it over the commode and it has brace bars on the sides. It took some work, .. some repeated reminders, to DH and to son in law .. to get with his side of the family to see if we couldn't buy that from his family and/or borrow it. Finally, they got it here. Assured that we can now accommodate MIL's difficulties here .. and that we'd even go get her and take her back home .. all she has to do is ride here, she doesn't even have to drive ... and then when she's here .. all she has to do is sit .. just like at home .. no one is going to ask that she go cook, or clean .. never do.
She couldn't even do that.
It was said, in the end, .. that she just doesn't feel comfortable (even around family .. and that's the only folks that would be in attendance here at that gathering, just family), .. doesn't even feel comfortable in that setting .. she, so diminished .. having to be held onto as she walks around to get from one point to the other .. having to be helped up from a sitting position to standing.
That really .. really aggravated me. I was already somewhat aggravated to begin with that this person who we so put the label on "she will manage, she's fine" ...... that's the premise that underlies the whole thing always .. but yes, .. do get a potty accommodation in place for her, and do plan that someone go get her, bring her here .. and then take her back home. But she's fine .. she can manage.
When she wouldn't come to her son's 60th bday for the above reason .. I thought, 'that's it, I'm done with trying to move heaven and earth to get her included in an event'.
Prior to that ... it had been SIL's bday back in May. She happened to be in town at that point and so we offered to have a big bque for her, here. She loves DH's bque chicken and so we'd planned that with all the fixings to go with it. They were to come over so we could celebrate SIL's bday.
Again, there was a time I'd of moved it all to MIL's house and done it all there, but that ship had sailed.
As it turned out, .. some on this end had been plagued with a stomach bug in the days prior. Seemed it was only a 24 hour bug .. those of us who caught it .. and no one in any of the group of us was actively sick any longer. But SIL saw fit that it was just too risky to be around any of us. That the stomach bug that had run thru this group here (some of us anyway) .. it might be contagious still and so just too risky.
I had bought all that food and still had to fix it. And it was all for naught.
I could list numerous examples of this or other scenarios where I've tried to do what I can to accommodate that whole scene .. only for it to fall thru the cracks for varying reasons. I no longer do it.
So yes, .. another text from SIL last night, .. asking isn't g'daughter's bday coming up. I answered that yes, it's Tuesday of next week. She wanted to know if we're having a big party for her (I know SIL, I know her well ...... she was baiting to see if we're doing something to mark that occasion .. something that MIL can be made a part of). Better yet, .. if we're doing something MIL can be made a part of .. can it be done at MIL's house .. so she doesn't even have to leave home.
I answered her text: "No not really ... dd's house is far too small to have any kind of a crowd at all, .. we're going out to dinner, then going to the go-karts".
She didn't even suggest it (but I know her, she likely wanted to). There was a time when one of us would go pick MIL up to make sure she is a part of something like this .. and bring her out to dinner with us .. and then one of us would take her back home .. and miss out on the go karts end of things .. or whatever else is to go on in that setting .. because MIL needs to be accommodated .. and needs to go back home. Nope.
I thought about it last night .. knowing what I do, having lived the history of it all .....
I came to the conclusion, and I think I'm right .. if it were a dinner out .. that doesn't also include an event afterwards that we all want to be a part of ... then yes, maybe possible to try to accommodate MIL into the plan. But that isn't the case with this one. And this one, has to do with my 4 yo g'daughter .. and her bday .. there was a day when she was the g'ma to 4 yo's and the like, .. and she got to enjoy those occasions .. I'm entitled to do the same.
I haven't even approached MIL to see if she'd like us to come pick her up to at least have her a part of the dinner end of things .. and then one of us will take her home before going to the go-karts. I haven't even gone there, and won't be.
Yes I've come a long way, and I'm glad. It needed to happen.
SIL then mentioned .. after I told her what the plans were to mark 4 yo g'daughter's bday .. she then said: "I told mom about what we'd done with hubby and the thing for his shoes .. she says she's going to ask her doctor about it". She also mentioned in that same text that she was going to watch a movie she'd rented from Redbox and named the movie.
I didn't even address, at all, in any way, .. the foot issue, I only responded, "enjoy your movie".
I think, if she is having a hard time coming to grips with how much I've stepped back, there is ample evidence.
There was a time, I'd of asked her, "oh really?, what's it called, what's this insert called, maybe I can find a doc in the area that does that, or call her doc and see if we can't her in to see about getting that done ...".
There was a time the above would've absolutely, without a doubt, been the course of action. Not any longer.
There was a time, I'd of even gone there, "SIL don't you remember .. several years back, we went to that specialty store .. and they have inserts there .. and she tried one, only to find she didn't like it, and we went back .. and then she tried it there in the store, and decided against it .. because of the cost .. don't you remember, we've been there/done that".
There was a time I'd of even gone there. But debating the finer points of all the rabbit holes gets you nowhere. I've learned. I don't even argue the point any longer, at all.
If she wants her mother to have these supposed "inserts" for her shoes and thinks it will somehow help her mother with her profound balance issues .. go for it .. you do the leg work, .. you call her doctor .. have your mom call the doctor .. figure out how she can see to it, or have her do so, she's fine remember, she can manage.
Yes, SIL .. in two instances there, trying to set the bait .. bait I didn't take, and glad of it.
SIL was sure throwing a lot of "bait" your way.
No response was a good answer.
Her failed attempt to manipulate you.
Yaaay!!!