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I had problem similar to this with my grandmother and a "friend" of hers. My grandmothers friend sat with her at home after she got out of the hospital while I was at work, for about a week. Well her friend said that granny was supposed to pay her for her time. Granny said no she wasn't supposed to pay her. Well long story short she made a claim against my grandmothers estate and we just paid her for her time! These people will get there money, now or later, and I would suggest getting them to sign a release of claim to the estate or property so they can't come back and charge you again later. Power of attorney allows you to take care of this now, later it will be the trustee or it will go through probate which can take years to clear up.
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MineraPearl,
that is wonderful! Hope you can take time to put your feet up & feel at peace.
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Hi all - thanks for the quick replies. Sister's boyfriend called & mom gave him the whole story. Mom has her point, but she should have written the window guys a letter if they never called her back when she tried to reconcile the bill. We will see but at least I'm out of the picture. Whew!
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I feel your pain MineraP. My mom has always been irresponsible when it comes to finances. For instance...

My brother and I were "good children" and helped her out of debt when she was selling her house. We pooled our resources and paid off her credit cards with the assurance we'd be reimbursed from the proceeds from the sale of the house. NOT! She'd neglected to pay her state income taxes for years and her proceeds were attached. My brother and I got 1/4 of what we were owed.

She ran up a credit card and was late often enough that they increased the interest and minimum payment. She decided it was ridiculous and stopped paying. The creditor company calls weekly and harasses her/me. They want me to pay it and I said HAIL NO! I have not taken out a Financial POA, but even if I had anything that occurred earlier is not my responsibility. They can be mean and use scare tactics and it's helpful to know what they can and can't do.

I refinanced my house several years ago and they paid off all my debts out of the cash out. Along with mine was some credit card both of us were listed on. I was forced to pay another 5,000 of her "irresponsibility".

Now she's having 250 per month deducted from her SS checks because she failed to file her Federal Income tax in 96 which is too far back for us to recreate it, so hello interest and penalties. Even the feds don't keep records that long.

I get the tears too and her excuse to the collection agencies is "Well, I'm 90 years old!!" Well I can tell you they really don't give a rat's behind how old you are, a debt is a debt.

All I can say is stand fast, hang in there, endure the tears and let her own up to her responsibilities. I'm sure you've got enough of your own :)
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MineraPearl,

Time to put your emotions to one side & deal with the problem. If emotionally you 'can't' do this - shoot it back to your brother, or post an ad on Craigslist for a fixer do deal with it on your mom's behalf. Regardless of what you think and feel about your mother and your fragile state, if a bill is in collections it must be dealt with.If the work should have been warrantied, then that is another issue to deal with.

I was left a complete mess by a sibling who chose to take the money & run. I got the mom & the tangled mess. So I do sympathize with you. However sometimes we caregivers have to just suck it up and deal with issues like this or they get worse.

Seriously - someone has to do it - either your brother, or tell him to hire someone.
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My 83 yr old mom had 2 windows repaired because they started showing gas between the windows. so they were not actually broken just defective. She never addressed the "bill" they sent for window repair. she said she will go to her grave not paying it because they should be warrantied. I have no idea if they were warranted. Now the bill is with a collection agency!! Mom told brother & he said I should handle it! NO WAY. I will not handle something my narcissist mother started. I started getting sick to my stomach when I was asked to call the window company - then mom said let's sit down and I'll tell you what to say to them! Mom needs to call the window people herself. Even though she gets anxious and starts to cry. I am sick of her manipulative tears. anyone else ever go through anything like this??? thanks I just needed to vent. Sandi
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Hi its me again ,you know if it wasn't for my daughter I don't think I'd be here right now. She never left my side the whole time I was in the hospital. I remember going into a deep sleep that I didn't want to wake up from,she was actually shaking me to wake me up. I use to be afraid of dying but now I'm not. I've almost been there so I know that when it's my moms' time to go I will know that she will be alright.
Barb
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Wow. What an ordeal, barbees! Glad that after all of that you had a measurable and positive outcome with the cramping.
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195Austin,I had back surgery 3 years ago this April.I had two disks fused together. If you were to look at my exrays they look like a set of railroad tracks in my lower back. The surgery took a little over 6 hours to do and I was in the hospital for 4 days after. I was off work for 6 months. There are both pros and cons as sunshinecaregiver stated. First if you do go through with it,definately make sure the doctor is the best you can get.Mine was a (specialists) joke joke he wanted me to give two units of blood before I went in. I can't give I have very low iron . He said that it was in case I bled alot but that I shouldn't so I didn't have to. After I got back to my room after the surgery my blood pressure was like 70 over 20. They said I had alot of bleeding. I got two units of blood. Then I got a spinal headache so bad that I wanted to tear my head off,and since my blood pressure was so low I couldn't have any fast acting pain med. Here when the doctor was working on my back he knicked my spinal column. As for the surgery itself, my legs don't cramp up like they did,it's easier to staighten up now. But now when the weather changes so does my back. It's like having my own weather person with me. So make sure you get all the information you can got before hand. Then if need be do it. I'm sure that you will be alright, just do your homework first.


Barb
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195Austin, for some reason the remainder of my reply was cut off. I do not blame you for not wanting spinal surgery. That is pretty heavy stuff. Have you considered getting a second opinion as well? May help you to better weigh the pros and cons.
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195Austin, sorry to learn about your spinal
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Austin, You should at least see a back specialist about this. The back is a pretty delicate piece of the body. You don't want to end up paralyzed because of something that could have been corrected with a relatively small operation.
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I got bad news yesterday when I went to my doc- my back is really messed up and he gave me the name of a spinal specialist who it turned out to be a spinal surgeon and there is no way I will have surgery, I may go to a pain specialist but will probably just learn to live with it.
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Well I'm glad Auntie, laughing does us a world of good and keeps us sane, or as sane as possible if ya know what I mean
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Noodle, You made me laugh! Thank you!
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All I can say is... these little old fuzzy white haired people are crafty sons' of guns!
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Good luck with this one. I used pill reminders, daily organizers, and even hand delivered, but if they won't take them, it's hard to convince them.

This reminds me of my neighbor Joe. I got him a personal alarm (Lifeline). It was a necklace form. I'd put it around his neck every noon when I went to visit. He insisted that he didn't need it because he was around the house. Well - that's where they work! The base was in his bedroom. When I was taking him 100 miles away from his house to see his sister, he always had it on. The receiver goes about 100 feet :) This guy was an engineer, but he didn't get that one. It drove me nuts, but he did have it on when he fell and broke his hip - only because I'd put it on that noon.

Anyway, what I'm saying is you are doing your best. Keep at it. Don't argue. Try to make it easy and explain. I'm sure you've already done all of that. So - keep coming back here. We get it.
Carol
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Oh I forgot to ask. How can I/we get meds into our aged loved ones when they refuse to follow the doctor's orders? My mom self medicates and changes the timing between doses, or simply doesn't take certain meds because she "feels fine". She has arthritis in her spine and is supposed to take her arthritis meds daily. She won't because she says it doesn't always hurt. Funny how it does hurt when she has to do something though (chuckle). Anyway, just thought I'd ask :)
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Well thanks everyone, your words and understanding have helped greatly. I just get cranky knowing she's pulling my chains I guess. I know she can do it and she knows I know but pulls the "who me?".

In the last week things have changed a lot. First my brother and sister in-law came for Thanksgiving so she made it a point to show off to them all the things she could do. I was happy she did things on her own but it just reinforced my suspicions that she was holding back. Then, I was diagnosed with colon cancer in 2002 and it seems every two years or so I must go into the hospital for some unwanted visitor to be removed. Well that time is any day now, just waiting to hear from the doctor.

I told her there was no way I could leave her alone if she couldn't even pull up her underwear, and named a few other things she's been holding back on. I told her there was no way we could afford 24 hour care. I told her the only option was to send her to "granny camp" aka a respite facility for a few weeks because while I recover, there is also no way I can push her around and help her off the toilet.

I guess this put the fear into her and she's been zipping around the house in her wheelchair, pulling her undies up, got herself up this morning and into her chair then onto the bathroom. I praise her and ask her if this all doesn't make her feel so much better, doing things on her own, and she said OH YES! I am happy she's admitting it makes her feel like she's accomplished something, maybe she'll listen to her own voice. Now that she's shown she can do it, I have more ammunition to use for when/if she tries to revert back, using those same old excuses.

Things are looking up at the moment mainly because she has no choice. Her options are extremely limited for the immediate future and she's looking out for #1. I'm not at all convinced she will let it stay this way but I should relax and enjoy it, and my time in the hospital. That sounds really dumb, but I look forward to it because I'll be able to sleep!!

Again, thanks everyone for your responses and confirming what I already knew, that I'm not alone in this adventure.
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I forgot to say let his Dr. know about his non-compliance, and let the Dr. tell him the consequences. Hearing it from his Dr. may have some influence in his decision making. Either way, keep posting and letting us know how you are doing. There is alot of support on this sight.
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God Your husband sounds a lot like my father. He was never really a nice person and in his later years, it got much worse, so my heart goes out to you. In the best of circumstances this can be a hard job. It sounds like he is very angry at his "lot" in life. My father never accepted his limitations and made life miserable for all concerned. It took awhile for me to understand nothing I did was going to help or make him happy.Why did I think this impatient and grumpy man was going to be any different as he got older? So I ended up telling him what I COULD do for him, and what I was no longer WILLING to do for him. I would do everything to make sure his need were met, even get him his favorite candy! But I also told him I would no longer argue with him, try to get him to do things that were in his best interest. He was an adult, he was still very capable of making his own decisions. Of course this made him very angry and he tried all sorts of things to control the situation. He was no longer controlling me, so in some ways his behaviors escalated. I stuck with what I said and eventually he mellowed out some. He was still who he had always been and I finally realized "I didn't break him and I couldn't fix him". One of my favorite sayings is PICK YOUR PAIN. I could go thru the unending routine with him or I could lay out some things that was going to make my life easier. He was still himself until the very end, and I was myself. He lacked one month of being 99 when he died. He taught me alot, mostly about having a better life than his. He took long standing resentments to his grave. I tried not to become too invested in the outcome of HIS choices.God knew the whole situation and that's who I answer to in the end of my journey. So, I hope you try to see what's best for you and your children, take care of him to the best of your ability, and set some boundries. He won't like it, but as my father, his life had been all about fear and selfishness. In the end I guess it's how we feel about ourselves that is important. I did what I could, the rest was up to him. Hang in there . Another one of my favorite sayings is IT MAY NOT GET BETTER BUT IT WILL BE DIFFERENT.God Bless
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HI. We went for a ride today. Currently I am able to move him to and from his wheelchair, but if he keeps consuming as much liquid as he is, I won't be able to do it for long. I asked him what his hopes were, and he said he hoped to one day be able to walk again. Later, when he wanted to go over his liquid allotment again, I asked him if he cared at all about his health, and he said , "No". What?? I'm having a problem understanding what he wants, and what he expects. So he wants to walk again, but only if it requires no effort on his part? He's on anti-depressants, as much as his other meds allow, ( and so am I) but are they helping? Is his attitiude because of depression, or simply because he doesn't want to have to give up anything? He's never been a patient person, and it seems to be getting worse. Our kids are about ready to just give up, and let hiim have anything he wants, whether it's good for him or not. They're tired of the fight. What am I going to do about this? He is the epitome of non-compliant.
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Hi guys I thought I'd tell you a few things that I've had to deal with. My older sister got sick in 2003 with cancer. I worked during the day,then went to the hospital at night.The care she got was awful.CRAPPY INSURANCE! I would be there until about 2 in the morning then go home.This went on for about 8 weeks. After she died there was a big void in my life. Like what am I suppose to do now? Even with what I have to deal with mom and after 5 years that feeling is still there and I know that when mom goes it will get worse. But I guess it's part of being a caregiver. Barb
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I just stumbled upon this website tonight and boy could I have used this over the last five years! Unfortunately my mother is in the final stages of dementia. I have experienced all the problems, fears, feelings, emotions, etc. that you all are experiencing now. But now I feel that it was all worthwhile. I always thought that I had a close, loving relationship with my mother all my life, but I have grown even closer to her over the last few months and I love her even more, if that is possible. It has been tiring and challenging but it is a learning, growing, character- building experience. You will feel at peace with yourself and have a sense of satisfaction knowing that you made someone's last years, months, days, hours, minutes of life comfortable. You will also have more meaningful memories than those who chose not to contribute to your loved one's care. I pray that God will give you all the patience, strength and blessings to endure to the end.
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There is such wisdom in your reply, Cat. I especially agree about the amount of understanding it takes and the not-so-small matter of human dignity. Your reply gave me a ot to think about! Thanks for sharing and caring. Noodlehead, know that you are not alone on the sleep deprivation end of the spectrum. Sometimes it can be a scary feeling knowing that you have to try to keep pace even when your body is dead tired. Been there, and all I can say it is an unending balancing act of compassion and occsional tough love. Sounds like you are doing a better job of juggling than you may think, so as Cat shared, remember to cut yourself a whole lot of slack. You can only do so much. Blessings, fellow caregivers.
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Hey Noodlehead.....
perhaps you might try getting up & taking her during the nght. You can use it as an excuse for her to walk - each time a little farther. I know you said you are sleep deprived, however it may just be if you meet her half-way (so to speak) she gets into a new cycle and eventually you will get the sleep you need. Certainly it sounds as it you are exhausting yourself to the point of assigning blame, when it may not be the case.

Lets face it, its human nature to not want to poop ans / or pee next to where we sleep. An truthfully how many of us when we get old would want to feel we had some dignity - - bragging she doesn't go during the day may be one of the few things that get her praise from others - as does fibbing about abilities.

My mom insisted she could do many things when she couldn't - at one point she was unable to walk and was in diapers - she was humiliated. Now she walks to the bathroom herself with a walker and makes a point of going *before* going to bed because she feels she has some control and say in her life. It took alot of working, exercise, understanding. My mom still insists that she can do some things she can't - but I suspect I will be denying my decline when I am old too.

Give yourself a break - and cut her some slack. If you chose to take this path, don't fall into the trap of negative thinking. That is the killer of caregivers world over. My mom is close to your mom in age. I hope that this helps.
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I am also at my wits end and sleep deprived. I began taking care of my 87 year old mom earlier this year. Between our SS and her long term insurance, we can afford a few hours a day for a caregiver while I work.

She has always enjoyed being the center of attention and now it seems even more so. She will fib to professionals about her abilities, saying she can do more than she is able. She will fib to me when she doesn't want to do something, like exercise. She received in home physical therapy for 4 months and is always too tired, too hungry, excuse excuse, to do the exercises. Therefore, she's no better than she was 4 months ago.

She has a bedside commode over the toilet so she can raise herself off of it, but won't use it by her bed so that I can get more than 4 hours of undisturbed sleep. She says it would be icky. She brags to others that she can go all day without visiting the bathroom, and she does actually do this quite often. It frustrates me that she won't even try the bedside commode to allow me to sleep. I am starting to believe she is doing it on purpose because she doesn't have control over many things but she has control over me when it comes to "I need to go to the bathroom!!" any time during the day or night, considering the alternative.

What can I do? Do I need SuperGranny? Is tough love in order? She's like a spoiled brat and is out of control. I know she is manipulating me and is always on her best behavior for the caregivers. Sigh!!
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I thank you for all of your reminders as well, 195Austin. I appreciate all of your sharing. So many times your replies cause me to smile and take pause. May God bless you, always.
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Sunshinecaregiver Thank you for reminding us there are things we can do that make our life more liveable
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mismiley, that sure is scary! Glad she did not injure herself. My Mom is 83 and occasionally has nights where she has restless sleep and gets up. I somehow sleep through it all, but usually find that she simply sits on the edge of her bed and falls right asleep while seated on her bed. Sometimes I think it is funny, but I always gently awaken her when I have seen her like that to encourage her to go back to sleep as I tuck her in and say something funny that makes us both chuckle or laugh. At that point, she is usually so tired, she is grateful to return to her bed and sleeps soundly.

Auntiecedent, life is always worth living when we achieve some degree of balance. Respite care will afford you some balance, even if only one hour each week. Does your husband nap in the daytime at all? If he does, it is a great time to find a quiet corner in your home to take a deep breath, go outside to take a leisurely walk, or do something else. This morning before my Mom awakened, I prepared myself a cup of green tea and enjoyed a couple of hours before the rest of the world started to stir. I prayed, read, napped, and watched a cooking show. Sometimes I take a walk in my garden in my velour robe early in the morning. There are always windows of opportunity for caregivers to create some leisure and quiet even if we may not be able to afford respite care.
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