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Good suggestions, esp. the shopping list - you probably know of items that she forgets, so make one of your own if she refuses. You and others have recognized this as a control issue. She's nitpicking with you because she gets the perceived "win." Sometimes, as has been suggested, you may want to call her bluff: "You're right, I screwed up, maybe you should get someone else who will do a better job." Also remind her of your schedule: "I'm planning to do the shopping on Thursday, please start making your list. Next time I'll be able to shop will be the following Thursday." (Or whenever). Even if that's when you plan to place an ON-LINE order. Give her the schedule, if she realizes she needs something else later, she'll have to wait until next time, or find someone else. (And turn off your phone.)

(We had a friend who complained about the brand of SELTZER we bought. Really, it's fizzy water!)
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Luv, I don't think you are looking for sympathy. Maybe you are, we all are, and your respondent was insensitive. You are in a mess, and very Brave to be there.

As to the grocery shopping, o boy, have I been there. I can promise you, do this : Pick up your phone to auntie, and say, with firmness, "I have exactly this and this on my list. This brand, this size, I will be in here for fifteen minutes and then I'm leaving." I'm serious. Put your foot down. Bless your heart. I feel for you.
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Another trick is to buy something they really like, such as cookies, chocolate milk. Then when you come home, give the desired item first. Then while they are distracted, put away the rest of the groceries. Doesn't have to be food, but food seems to work all the best.
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Sendme2help...I looked up Trader Joe's, and there is none in my immediate area. But I did see a couple that are near some relatives; perhaps I can get one of them to check it out or take me to see it.
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Oh my gosh, I remember taking my parents once a month to Target. You'd think they were going to Disney Land. For them it was an enjoyable afternoon.... for me it was like being on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

Dad would get his cart and go off to where ever in the store, and I would follow Mom so I could help her find things and reach for stuff on the shelves. By the end Mom's cart had a lot of things in it, mine was almost empty. If I stopped to look for something for myself, Mom would be out of my sight.

When it was time to check out, Mom was ready to go... but I had to find Dad in the store, definitely it wasn't "it's a small world".... around and around the store I would go looking up and down the aisles. Then start over again. Usually Mom would disappear because she got worried about Dad, now both are missing :P
We stopped going to Wal-Mart because of that reason, the store was too darn big.

At the start of this year, now I just get their list for Target. I know they really miss those trips, but their age has caught up with them. If we went every other day and they bought a couple of items that would work for them, but it would be too exhausting for me :(
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My mom's dementia was worse than we knew. I had ordered home delivery of food for her and she let it sit on the porch and rot. I called to tell her it was coming. I called to tell her it had arrived. She wouldn't go get it. My relatives next door tried to take it in for her and she wouldn't let them. It was like she enjoyed the idea of wasting my money more than having the food!

When I moved her nearby, I went to the store for her. Every time it was wrong even if it was exactly what she had requested. She would get so angry over it too. It was dementia and unmanaged mental illness.

I did have to put in boundaries and make it known that I wasn't going every time she thought of a single item. I was going to do her shopping at the same time as mine, on a weekend day of my choosing. I also reminded her she had 20 meals/month in the dining room and was not going to starve to death.

I noticed that she wasn't actually consuming all the things we brought her, and she was requesting more of it over & over. All she was really eating was ice cream, yogurt, & cheese sticks. Fresh items were rotting in the fridge, unused. She wanted ridiculous things too, like really infrequently used things to bake with. Her oven had been turned off at the breaker. She wasn't going to bake. I never said that. I just said the store was out and took the heat for it.

I would bring her cooked meals I made at home, and she wouldn't touch any of it, or she was eating it unheated. I walked in on her trying to eat an uncooked chicken biscuit right out of the freezer.

These were some of the changes that prompted us to put her on the waiting list for assisted living vs. independent living. When you can't feed yourself anymore, or understand how to walk 10 steps down the hall to the meal, it's time for more help.
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For my mom, when she was in IL, it was a once a week trip to Bed Bath and Beyond. I never bought a single thing myself there because it was a full time job shepherding mom around and getting her checked out. But yes, it was the highlight of her week.
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Amicable, I understand and have been through the grocery shopping trips that last longer than they would if I were alone. But eventually I realized how liberating this can be for someone who's no longer driving and totally dependent on others to go anyplace.

Just getting out, seeing the vast array of things in the store, and just as importantly, making one's own selections....these things can be restorative. At the age our parents are, how often do they really get to make choices of their own?

Just getting out of the house can be liberating! So now we make it an event, and stop by the Dairy Queen afterward to reward ourselves. Sitting outside, watching the clouds drift by and feeling the hopefully soft breeze makes the day more worthwhile to both of us.

Sure, things are bought that aren't used. Sometimes you can sneak them aside and return them on your next solo trip. Or donate them to one of the post office's food drives, or to a local church's food pantry.
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Mom always wants to go with me and it makes our trips last forever. I understand wanting to get out of the house, but lately I just schedule it when I know she won't feel like going. No matter how far in advance I tell her I'm going and ask for her list, she always manages to say "Oh, shoot! I wish I would have told you to get such and such!" I used to go back for it, but no more. No special trips unless I need something myself. I tell her I'll pick it up next time. When she goes, she always wants things we already have at home, and complains if I tell her I'm not getting more of it. My cabinets are stuffed with things we won't use in a lifetime. I'm still throwing out things that she brought with her and insisted we keep that expired in 2009. She's about to get really upset with me...she doesn't even try to cook anymore after a few mishaps with forgotten pots...I'm about to reclaim my kitchen for my very own! If you hear her screaming from where you are, you'll know what happened...LOL!
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Actually I wasn't aware of the Mobility service in Maryland; it's more or less comparable to one of the services locally. Although this service does have a mobility function, it's also the only way some people who don't drive or have someone to take them can get around the area. For older folks w/o cars or family, this kind of service is the only reasonable method of transit.
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You know how it is with cell phones. ..you have to charge them for a few hours. Thanks for all of the tips. I will take all of them into consideration. Garden Artist, are you speaking of Mobility? I will check out the site you listed.
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I didn't abandon you guys....my phone battery died.
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Gospelgirl, I found these special transit services provided by Maryland.

Generally these kind of services are much, much cheaper than a taxi service, and the drivers provide assistance as well, such as helping bring the groceries up to the house (at least they do in my area). Many of these buses are lift equipped, so drivers are accustomed to assisting passengers if necessary.

http://mhcc.maryland.gov/consumerinfo/longtermcare/TransportationAssistance.aspx

You might also check with the local transit agency to see if they have door to door pickup. It's only $1 in our area and might be very helpful for you - it's almost like a personal taxi but a lot cheaper! It could be called Dial-A-Ride, Small Bus, or Connector Service. Different transit authorities have different descriptions.

I think it would be just so much easier, convenient and cheaper than a regular taxi, although it would be for a one destination ride, such as to the grocery store and return only.


Windy, MOW was also rejected until a visiting home care nurse made it clear that it wasn't an option! Sometimes elders listen to medical people before they'll listen to their adult children. Or they might even listen to neighbors before their adult children.
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that they not thatchy^
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Can I just say shopping for food is NOT respite not in any way shape or form. I know it was said in humour but I would hate for anyone to ever think it was respite and I have heard it said a lot over here in the UK..... Usually something like the only respite I get is when I go for the groceries - NO NO NO NO NO that is time away from your loved one but you are thinking of them them or in Gospel's case , being hassled by them the whole time. You don't browse any more because you know there is a limit to how long you dare risk being away from them, so you do a supermarket dash grabbing things as you go, is it any wonder we don't end up with everything we intended to.

Time to fess up I think. I on line shop for the most part - it is much more expensive than going shopping the way I used to but it is done in a one at a time that suits me. I book an afternoon delivery always or an evening one with very good reason. Then I lie (yeah yeah OK tell me you have never told a lie) Mum still thinks I go and do the shopping and thatchy then deliver it - I don't care if that's wrong I get 2 hours tops to myself to go and have a coffee/to find a present for Mums birthday (sic) to have my hair cut to shoot the breeze with a friend face to face rather than on the phone.

I know lying is wrong but heavens if it gets me some well deserved break then I will continue to lie - it's only once a fortnight so its not like I got out every day (I wish)
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Sendme2help, organic food? I tried that with my Mom, she scrunched up her face like I was asking her to eat worms. I had to explain that eating organic was the same as when she was growing up on the family farm. I guess it was the word "organic" that scared her off, nothing knowing what it was.

Anywho, we have a Whole Food Market a bit down the road, and I bought my parents some ground beef for hamburgers to try out.... they loved it, now my parents won't eat any other hamburger except organic :)
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Windyridge, don't worry, gospelgirl will check back this time. Sunday is church. Standby, she needs our help.
We are here, we've got her on our minds.
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THE SHOPPING SCHEDULE:
Make a plan to go the next day for a shorter time to pick up what was missed.

Buy supplies, cleaning supplies, and T.P. one trip, buy just food next trip.

Go more often, take more taxi's, have the taxi-driver put the groceries away, then come back and pick you up, after your hair appointment.

Taxi is at the aunt's expense, please. It's going to cost her more if she's mean.
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She is probably at the grocery store ... again ... because Auntie forgot something or didn't like something or whatever. Poor thing......
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Ah....Meals on wheels...how I would like my parents to get MEALS ON WHEELS!
First, they won't even discuss it, and when I checked into it, thinking I'd just sign them up amy d*mn how, there's a huge waiting list, funding cut, all that crap in WV. Thanks for the replies, but where is gospel girl? Are you out there?
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Trader Joe's is a smaller store, less stress, reasonably priced. Do you have one nearby?
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To summarize, the above post was for gospelgirl. She needs people to be kind, in a supportive way, and less confrontational. She is struggling with personal issues and some of her own physical issues. Anybody forced to do shopping in a taxi, worry about getting home in time, and it was just too much for you? Keep offering suggestions for her, please. Plus, using the aunt's finances and reporting back is also a stressor. Do I have this right, gospelgirl, you are sincere in asking for help!
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Your situation is special, and it is understandble that you would need support in a kind way. Let me explain: When I was teen and depressed from living with what I now know was a mean, narccisstic mother, the scool counselor told me: "I can't help you get out from under your mother's rule, but I can teach you to cope."
When circumstances such as living situation/housing, finances, job, and family obligations prevent you from breaking free, or taking advice to help yourself in a constructive way, then you will need help to cope through this. It is very good that you were persistent enough to ask us for what you need, in spite of past criticisms. In the future, if you feel the answers are not for you, do what people in the twelve step programs do: 1) take what you want, leave the rest. 2) keep coming back, it works.
It appears that you are walking on eggshells, and cannot do anything right. No one can live under your aunt's unrealistic demands and not get some kind of shellshock after an extended time. No one! I would be amazed if you weren't constantly shaking while waiting for her next tirade to belittle you.
If you keep coming to this thread you just posted about shopping, people will read this and be able to offer better advice without you sharing too many details or being put on the defensive. I'm just guessing, but you might be so very tired of explaining and being judged, found lacking by others.
Your aunt may be afraid to be alone. If you can go shopping when someone is there, that would help, then, you could first follow the advice about not answering the cell phone. Let her leave messages that you can show her family. If you get really courageous, look her in the eye on your way out the door, tell her not to call, and place your cell phone in front of her. (Always making sure she has someone else to call, of course.) Tell her when you will be home. This may sound mean, as a tactic to reclaim your boundaries, only you will know. But, dear girl, you need to survive this caregiving role and you don't deserve to be beat up. It is perfectly normal to need help. Please check back often, let your friends here know if something has worked, or just to ask more questions. We've got your back!
Don't be ashamed to ask for help. Be sure to buy chocolate, or have it delivered, that too was a good suggestion, I thought. Delivery and chocolate has helped me in the past. People can even order greens/fruits/vegetables online. Take care.
The abuse from your aunt is not true, none of what she says is the truth. Do not believe those lies.
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Windy, absolutely "His dementia is screwing up his taste." Damage in the brain can cause malfunctions ANYWHERE in the body, and taste perceptions commonly get screwed up. You are wise not to take this personally!

I used a grocery deliver service while we had 4 kids at home and I had a full time job. Awesome! I highly recommend it (unless you are one of those shop-till-ya-drop people who loves wandering aisles.)

Gospelgirl223 I can kind of sympathize with Aunty. I suspect that what she is complaining about is "this is one more area of my life where I've lost control! I wish I could push a cart down that aisle and see what the choices really are! I wish I could be independent again."

Aunty's comments to you are very rude. I suspect she is losing some of her social filters, and I'd cut her some slack. Don't Take it Personally! As Windy says, ignore her BS. Or agree with her. "Yes, it is really disgusting how often these manufacturers change their packaging! It was hard to even find this!" If she needs some way to express her dissatisfaction with her limitations, feel free to join in.
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Windy, your father could probably get Meals on Wheels when (if?) he stops driving, but it does seem as though that might not be very pleasing to him. Still, it would be easier on your mother.
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Windy, since I am grounded and can't drive for awhile, my Dad forgot and said that I could drive him and Mom to the grocery store and leave them off... then come back in a hour to pick them up.

Yeah right, after an hour I will find them in Aisle 5 with 20 more aisles to go :P
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I'm going to be facing this problem soon. I'm long distance from my parents, Dad is still driving to Krogers and manages to get most of the stuff on Moms list, but his driving days will be ending soon.

I appreciate FFs suggestion about on line shopping. I may start using that in the future. I know your frustration. My Dad will only eat my Moms cooking, such as it is, and even that is not good enough anymore. His dementia is screwing up his taste. No matter what I buy or cook, or micro, it's just not quite right.

I just tune him out. He still eats enough to stay healthy and I'm not going to argue if he doesn't like my pot roast. I think you should do the same with Aunty. She probably has no idea how good she has it with you taking care of her. Don't fight with her but don't let her make you her punching bag. Go to the store, turn off the phone, go home, put the groceries away and ignore her BS. You know, we know, and the guy up if heaven knows how hard you work to keep her safe and healthy. Don't let her get to you.
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FF, you're more organized than I am. I'll have to try that preprinted list idea - I like it!

Sounds like your mother is well organized as well - knowing the layout of the store.

Since Dad began Meals on Wheels, there hasn't been as much spontaneous grocery shopping, so that's made it a lot easier.
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GardenArtist, yes the pre-printed grocery list. I have that for my parents, two columns typed out of what they normally order within a month, xerox a couple dozen and hand them to my parents to fill out.... the items are set up by where the items are within the store, made it easy back when my Mom would check off what she needed as she had also memorized the story store layout.

Now that Dad is going the grocery list because Mom's eyesight is so bad, the list is a bit of a mess. He never paid any attention to where stuff was in any store except Home Depot :P

Peapod on-line warehouse layout is different... don't have the energy to learn that one.

When my sig other and I delivery the groceries, I will take a quick scan mentally of what Mom has in the freezer, refrig, and the cereal cabinet. I see that Dad has 6 boxes of Raisin Bran so no more even if he circles it on the list. And Mom has 4 cartons of ice cream, ok, scratch that for the next couple of weeks.

This is so hard trying to keep up supplies for TWO households. Dad waits until he gets the very last drop of toothpaste before he orders a new tube.... [sigh].
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