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Yes, my mother has been and always will be the master manipulator. If you have to take your animal to the vet and the animal is sick, she resents it and says my dogs sick too..(which he was not) she wears me out, makes me tired, dizzy, and is a psychic vampire. My dad had to die to get away from her I think. If I did not see his body when he died I would think maybe he just ran away. He was with her for almost 50 years. I cannot imagine living with her day to day and having to deal with her OCD and endless demands because of her obsessive compulsive disorder. Like I hate myself, but wind up screaming because of it. This morning for example, she opened another milk with another one in the fridge half empty because "she doesnt know who drank out of the carton"...I lost it..and said" Nobody drinks straight out of the gallon of milk, I just made myself an instant breakfast out of it..now drink the damn opened MILK! It seems that two years ago, my son drank the last inch out of a milk carton before he threw it away..she saw it and obsesses over people drinking out of containers...its enough to make you clinically insane! And that is the tip of the iceberg, we cant leave a circumference around the house as "I might have to go to the bathroom and I cannot use a public toliet"...and if she has to go and cannot make it home, she just SH%^#s herself! She is worse than living with Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory! Now this is nothing new, she has been this way forever..FOREVER..she calls herself "quirky" I call it crazy...I am not at all like her, dont look like her etc..I am starting to think of a DNA test, as there was another baby named the same according to her in her room when I was born and it would not surprise me that I was the prettier baby or hers was defective and she stole me! This was back in the 50's where you probably could have gotten away with it...lol

She is the most finicky, pernickety person I have ever met in my life!
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Thank God for this blog..I feel so much better sharing my frustrations and knowing I am not alone..they sure were stampin out doozies in the roaring 20's..too much bathtub gin, we probably have a bunch of fetal alcohol babies for moms and we just dont know it..lol
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Your husband is lucky. At least he gets to get away from the madness for 3 days. Still, exactly what does he do to help you when he's home besides conking out right next to you? It's his home too, and he could help set up boundaries with your Mom and rules with those teenagers who I'm sure use their condition to act up any way they want.

Before you snap and do something regrettable, forget about Mom's age and make it clear her abusive behavior won't be tolerated any longer. If she tries emotional blackmail, tell her to get off the Cross. ... Someone else needs the wood.
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ElderlyandADHD- people initially do not believe the stuff my MIL says and does. You cannot make up this stuff. MIL must have her own silverware, dishes, and cup that no one is allowed to use. She hand washes them and leaves them on the counter. She will throw away our food, but will keep something she bought until it is overcome with mold. We have started cleaning the fridge out after she goes to bed. I would almost swear she has forgotten whose house it is. One day I came in late from work, and she told me to help myself to anything I wanted for dinner. OK. She was so distressed to learn we have 2 weeks off for holidays and kids off from school, she offered to pay for us to leave our own house. That is messed up. She also calls herself "different". I have some other words I could use!
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elderly -since your mother has been like this all her life, even if she has a UTI or such, treatment of it will not result in her becoming "normal". You have way too much to cope with. My view, as some others, is that your first responsibility is to your husband and kids. It sounds like they need some attention - the right kind like setting boundaries. In my experience with my narcissistic borderline personality mother, setting boundaries works for a whle till she finds a new area to misbehave in, and continually setting, resetting, and inventing new boundaries is exhausting, and does nothing but focus all my attention on her which is what she wanted in the first place and what is unhealthy for me and everyone in my life. Long sentence, let me catch my breath. Accordingly it seems to me that your solution lies in getting her out of your home and into appropriate care -whether she likes it or not, and she won't because she wants to exert control over you and yours, In my experience teens can be very hard work, especially if they vhave ADHD. They well may have additional anxiety because of the environment. I think you owe it to yourself and to your family, to improve your home, and to use your energy helping those kids of yours. They have a lifetime ahead of them; and need all the help you can give them. Why in earth let once mean old woman destroy your lives? My mother is like than and I stay as far away from her as I can. Start making enquiries about ALF's/NHs in the area, check out the financial resources needed -medicaid if necessary. Your kids need to see that you are not a doomat, and your dh needs to pitch in. You have a chance to accomplish this if your mum is out of your home and cared for by someone else. I know it is not easy to change these dynamics, but for everyone's mental health, and your physical health, I believe it is necessary, - and it can be done! Good luck and let us know how you are doing (((((((Hugs)))))) and love Joan
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Bless ya'll for your inputs. It's good to know that I'm not alone. It wasn't until a few years ago that "boundary-setting counselors" seemed to acknowledge issues with a parent. There were counselors for problems w/ spouses and children, even issues w/ bosses, but not parents. How odd it was to have society think that a child should be "dutiful and grateful." We were of a generation of "honor one's parents" -- no matter what.
About 5 years ago I was referred to a counselor who specialized in helping persons cope with a BPD person (borderline personality disorder). One of the things I learned in sessions and from books referred to me was that Borderlines often start up an argument because the high stress of it is stimulating and soothing to them; the more the other person reacts the happier the BPD person feels. This goes beyond being bored and seeking attention, believe me. Knowing this and piecing together some things mentioned to me by family members made it make a lot of sense. Take a look at the book "Stop walking on eggshells." This may make some sense of the "meanness."
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It is extremely difficult to tend to a loved one, mean or not. I feel alot of people are unaware of what it entales, but the truth is, the ones we are closest too are often the most difficult to take care of. I have been a care giver for over 20 years, and it is OKAY to place your Mom in a setting such as an Assisted Living Community (they do have for Medicaid also) or if needed a Nursing Facility. I would contact your local Elder Service Office and request a "Goold" Assessment. It is an unbiased evaluation by an RN to determine the level of care your MOm may need and would qualify for if Medicaid services are needed. I would be present when this happened so answers are given appropriately to the person doing the evaluation... Keep in mind settings like those mentioned often offer companionship, and can meet one's healthcare needs when necessary.
Good Luck!
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For all of you with a mother or father and are experiencing these type of behavior, like ours, you can also contact NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness. I had to do this with my mother and they were not only a great help, but were able to connect me with wonderful resources. Every state has one, find yours. But whatever you do; GET THAT PERSON OUT OF YOUR HOUSE!
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To Wits End..my mother uses the word "quirky" to describe herself, like thats a good thing or something, like the rest of the world is off balance and if they knew the real truth, they would all march to her beat, I guess. Like shes enlightened or something, Once, I actually had my two kids in the car, 11 and 14 at the time and her, and they were all yelling and acting out in the car..i was so stressed I felt I was having a heart attack, I just drove myself to the ER, turned out to be indigestion from all the upset in the car fortunately. I constantly remind her who is the adult. She acted more like a jealous child than a grandmother. And she was more of a jealous sister than a mom!
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ElderlyandADHD- oh my gosh. Yes! My MIL believes she has some Yoda like wisdom and that we should all hang on her every word. Her favorite phrase is "listen to me. i have about a 1000 years of experience". The other day she was complaining about my son (again) to my husband. He was disagreeing with her assessment. She told him he was just the parent, she is a grandparent. She has more experience. It was very rude. We have also both noted that she has taken almost a sibling rivalry attitude towards our son. She seems to delight in tattling. No teen is oerfect, but one recent one was that she saw him kae some toast. He rinsed theknife off and put it in the dishwasher. She went and whispered to him that she was watching him, and she knows what he did. He was completely confused. She whispered that she was going to tell on him for not using soap on the knife when he rinsed it off. Really?? Is is a teen age boy who rinsed off a dish and put it in the dishwasher. I am thrilled. I do think she somehow thinks she is making herself move up a notch on the totem pole if she can make him move down. Very wierd.
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Wit's End -- Please read some about Borderline Personality. She is trying to knock your son off the pedastal and cause conflict. Confusion and upset are thrilling to a Borderline. Even if your mil is not diagnosed as BPD, please take a look at how to deal with some of the behaviors; it will help you realize that you really are ok and perfectly normal. It will help to teach your teen some coping techniques. It will not make them "cocky," but the self-assurance they glean from coping will go a long way. I wish I had known all this 40+ years ago.
Good luck.
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She probably has unresolved psychiatric issues that have little to do with you. Have her start psychotherapy. Try to get someone with a Phd.
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OneHolly- I do believe she is BPD. You are right on teaching my son coping mechanisms. That is a good idea. Does she have unresolved psychiatric issues? I am sure she does. She could keep a dr busy to the end of her days trying to figure it all out. Problem is, she will never see she has any issues. Since I am the DIL, my first priority is protecting my children from any negative impact her living here could have.
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There are some very good books on the market about relating to a family member who has BPD. The workbook for Stop Walking on Eggshells is almost better than the book itself. Understanding the Borderline Mother has a good chapter about the borderline queen-how to relate without being controlled by her. The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder: New Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells.
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Let me add my two cents in here. You cannot talk with her doctor about the mother, without having medical power of attorney. I had to find this out the hard way last week. I was escorted out of the hospital because my mother had given some woman in GA supposedly Power of Attorney and everyone took this woman's word for it without her having to show proof. WHICH IS ILLEGAL! Due to HIPAA... you do not have the right to discuss your mother's medical issues with any medical professional without at least Medical Power of Attorney. It is highly illegal and she can suit whomever leaks any info to you about her. Once again, I had to find this out the hard way. I am in the process of dealing with an attorney now to be able to gain control of my nearly 90 year old mother who had a mild stroke on Thanksgiving. Talk to legal aid if you cannot afford an attorney. Make sure you are protected against her! You would be surprised in thinking that you do not have to worry about that. I am the only child and only living relative for 1000 miles. I do not have POA. And I am paying for it because mother is being charged $2200 a WEEK for someone to watch her 24/7 because she refuses to go to a nursing home/assisted living facility and cannot live by herself since the stroke. I have people who are not family that are interfering with family matters and have talked her into things since her stroke. However, back when she broke her neck almost two years ago, no one was giving me any issues dealing with her medical appointments, etc. I was her daughter and that was good enough for them. Be careful! Take a stand against this woman. Why she is at your home is beyond me! I moved out of mother's home over a year ago because we are like fire and gasoline! I have my own home, a husba
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oops! a husband. I am sick of parents complaining about their kids being out of control! Co-dependency! Someone brought that up earlier. The kids act like that because they were allowed to get away with it with no consequences or the consequences were thought of by the kids as no biggie. Seriously! Stop letting your kids rule the roost! Same goes with your mother! I am not being cruel here just stating it as it is. These people get away with this crap because you LET THEM! Find your backbone/spine and put your foot down! You do not need this kind of stress! Best wishes!!!
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I agree with dutt. I am saying this with love. You got to get her out of your house. She takes advantage of you b/c you let her. Today look into a nursing home for her. As soon as it is available, take her there and let them deal with her. As for your teens, lay down the law and tell them they have to at least do their own laundry.
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Wow. I read these stories and find them really helpful. I feel like we are all having the same experiences. If I could take a step back, maybe I could laugh about it, but when in the middle of it all, it can be pretty upsetting. Need to work on my sense of humor...
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Dementia has made my sweet meek mild mama of 91 into a sassy grumbly combative old gal. It changes the demeanor...the chemicals in their brain are messed up. They have mom on some haloperidol and lorazepam. And they help a little. She's more relaxed and not so agitated. She also has whats called Sundowner syndrome which is a type of depression she gets also resulting from dementia. We have a bright "sun" light next to her chair to help her. I can't imagine what you are dealing with as you have had a difficult mom to begin with. I am sorry but as frustrating as it can be you are doing a great service to her. Its sad that some people can't see that until its too late.
I would look into getting some counseling not only for you but your kids as well. But make sure you take of you too. We as caregivers need to remember that we cannot help anyone if we don't help ourselves. Check to see if she qualifies for extra help with your area Agency of Aging and Disabilities. They also have tons of resources that are Government funded for the caregiver as well as the client. Mom's income level qualifies us for 20 hours of homecare aides for baths, light housekeeping, or just sitting with her so I can get out. There are tons of resources in your area that you might be able to benefit from. Good luck and God Bless.
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Please keep in mind - your first responsibility is to take care of yourself, your spouse and children. There is no responsibility to care for parents in your home - the only obligation a child has to help if destitution threatens and there are no other resources. But there is nothing wrong with a nursing home, assisted living, etc. - no one has any obligation to be abused and it is not possible to give another person happiness. They have to do that for themselves. It can be hard, but just say "No!" I did and it got to be no guilt problem at all with a little practice.
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Army Wife - good comment about HIPAA - but it seems to me that you could legally talk about what she does in your home, why you cannot continue to have her in your home and explain that as soon as she goes into the hospital for any reason, you WILL NOT take her back.
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Could anyone explain how such mean people were able to get into their children's homes - assuming they were mean and destructive all along, wouldn't the kids know better than to let them in?
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MyWitsEnd, I think your mother and my mother may be related. Any attention I give anyone else, my husband, girlfriend, kids is taking away from HER attention and she doesnt like it. She hated when I did have friends as a kid, she told me"who would be friends with you..think about it..they are just using you" now tell that to a kid under 12! She tattles on my kids all the time..they are doing this..they are doing that..and I say I dont care..and boy does she get mad!
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In my opinion, children are best protected from the impact of someone with suspected borderline personality disorder by getting them out of the house if they are such that they will not seek, get, and stick with getting help which takes years of hard work in therapy which many if not most with BPD are not willing to do. They prefer being the drama queen who creates tornadoes and then steps inside of them as if they are its victim. They are also pros at emotional blackmail via Fear, Obligation and Guilt which I like to call the F.O.G.
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"no one has any obligation to be abused." WOW! Another well stated post! THAT is the whole reason why I walked away from my mother a few days ago. I had been allowing her to run me all over town, and walk all over me. She ruined Thanksgiving and my husband's birthday because I let her. I refuse to let her ruin Christmas too! She has her own house and demanded she be taken care of in it 24/7. Problem was, she wanted me to do it. HELL NO! Now she has a team of people that work in shifts to do it. She has the ability to burn the house down if no one is there to watch her every move. Not to mention fall again. One more hard fall and she may very well break her neck again and this time there will be no recovery from it. It is not the first time I have walked away from her. I did for almost 8 months then got a case of guilt bothering me and ta da! Back at her home. Not this time. Her announcing she felt abused was the last straw. I refuse to be looked at like some kind of monster and treated like I am a criminal just because she is not getting her way. Christmas time or not... she will not change and you cannot expect her to. You cannot force her to change either. However, you can force her out and YOU CAN CHANGE! You just have to want both of those bad enough. If the kids see you shove grandma out... more likely than not, they will think about their actions and worry that you may do that to them as well. That might be the kick in the pants you need with them. Really dear, good luck. Sounds to me like you need all of the help you can muster!
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While I"m not sure of the fear part, I am certain that a great degree of respect would be gained. When I decided that my MIL was no longer welcomed in our house or on my vacations because she was and is such a narcissistic drama queen, our sons gained a lot of respect for me. My wife finally came around and agreed with my boundary which she tried to break after she agreed to it, but I responded by taking the boys out of the house with me for a few days and stayed in a hotel. That got her attention quickly.
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While I wrote earlier that your first obligation is to your husband and children, I can't really subscribe to the above comments. Legally the comment may be accurate but just stepping in to help a parent in poverty isn't a standard I can accept. While a nursing home or assisted living facility may be necessary given the health of the parent, it isn't the same or equal to being in their own home with assistance or you a child's home where they are surrounded by family member who don't resent them but enjoy their company. I am not about washing my hands of my parents while "loving" my able bodied family members.
It is bad enough that our capitalistic system sees little or no value in the disabled or elderly. Families need not join in.
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Lizann, not very family has the same dynamics. Some situations are made difficult because the elderly parent has never been nice and has a history of verbal and emotional abuse. My MIL has said and done things it would be hard for most people to comprehend. It is a serious thing when they start their old patterns with their grandchildren. It is not a matter of them being inconvenient. It is a matter of them having a very negative affect on spouses and children. Trust me, it is not an easy position to be in.
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It was when my wife saw her mother start her old patterns of verbal and emotional abuse with our sons that she became pro-active and set boundaries herself. My MIL did not become the way she is because of my wife. There's nothing my wife or anyone can do to fix or control how she is, but she and I can and have chosen a healthier path for ourselves in how we relate to her mother now who has not gone on a vacation with us in years and no longer stays in our house always taking over the master bedroom when she visits, but instead stays in a hotel and we have stayed in a hotel when visiting up there for years as well.
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As I stated earlier, we can and must put our husband and children first. However, even with difficult parents we need to make sure their needs are met. They need not be met directly by the adult child and institutional placements (NH ALF) can be appropriate. I never suggested the adult child bring an abusive parent to their home.

However, the elderly parent will not be around much longer. Come up with a plan that helps everyone involved. If you haven't been able to have a healthy relationship with your parent accept that it is unlikely that pattern will change.
We all accept what we can and can't change.
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