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Amy; I'm sure you would "do" for your mother in any situation where it was safe for you to do so...bringing food, taking her to the shower, etc. What needs to be maintained, I think, are the boundaries. You make hair and doc appointments at your convenience, you're got no obligation to be at her beck and call.

It sounds to me as though she's having difficulties getting back into the routine of living alone. She may come to realize that whatever she "hated" about AL, there were some good aspects to it. Are there any others nearby that might suit her better? We had a disatrous experience with my mother in one place (we relied on the fact that other family members had elders there and assumed it must be a good place, which it was not); another was a much better fit, in part, simply because it had "assigned seating" in the dining room, meaning that you always knew where you were going to sit and that it was less like a junior high school lunchroom, with all the pettiness and awfulness of being "the new kid". When some of the bad feelings have blown away, maybe she'll be inclined to go take a look at some other places and make a choice. Hugs!
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For all of you lovely people who took the time to respond, I'm posting an update. Mom is still home and as nasty as ever. My brother has been really good about seeing that she has food and is calling her every day. This morning he called me for her Dr's number. In the background she was chirping away. My heart was in my throat listening to her and I'm sure his was even worse. She told him that she had only one of a particular med left. He checked the bottle and she had 10. He asked why she would tell him that . After a pause she said, I lied, that's why.
Trust me, this is NOT dementia. This is how she controls. First, give us a reason to drop everything to go over and then have us in her hooks when we get there. 2 days ago I called in the morning, no answer, so I waited 10 minutes. Called again, no answer. With heart in throat I went over, unlocked the door, yelled for her and there she was, sitting on the couch. I was in the bathroom... It dawned on me that she could have called me before panic set in because my phone message was picked up. I ended up resentfully shopping for her and making fruit salad. Hey, you're there, what are you supposed to do when your Mom needs things? Yes, brother's job, but I was there.

Hair appointments are something I take her to. "11:30 ???? That's too early, I'm the patient. MOM, you're not a patient, you're the customer and I'm the driver.

I'm just venting. There are a plethora of stories to tell, but I won't ramble on ..... oh, just one more.... every time I'm on my way out she tries to pick a fight or tell me what nasty thing was said about me behind my back. Last one was yesterday. You should have seen the disgusted look on Mary's face when you said that......me----- gee, I missed that. Bye Mom.

Word to the wise. Physically fight your sibling if you have to, to prevent him/her from opening this can of worms. It's just AWFUL, and I'm staying as big a distance as I can.
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Amy, you're doing brilliantly. You're being supportive to your brother (and let's not go on about what an idiot he was… sorry, I said let's not go on about it, didn't I?), pleasant to your mother, and yet you still appear to be sane! Or at least you're typing - which is not nothing, because if it were me I'd be in a strait jacket in a corner, drooling, muttering and plotting to stab somebody with a fork. Your method for leaving the house without either delay or undue offence, in particular, is a master class. Thank you!
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Thank you, Countrymouse, it's OK, he knows he's an idiot. But he still has that warm heart that says, I'd have hated it there too. She wasn't happy. As far as my sanity, I'm still quite sane but sad much of the time. I cry easily and have far less interest in the enjoyable things I do. I keep telling myself that only you can control how a situation affects you. Only you can control your feelings, and that this can't go on forever. Then I think about how it may end... and then I tell myself to stop thinking and go out and play. So far it's working.
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Of course you are sad Amy.Finding out one's mother is such a nasty vicious woman is not something anyone can take in stride. You are doing the responsible thing by being there as support for your brother, idiot as he may be. You are right it may end badely but Mama dearest has made her own bed so take comfort in knowing you have done your part and need feel no guilt whatever happens. Who is cleaning her house and making sure she bathes etc. is hospice still going in?
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She has no other help besides us. We both clean when we go over, but he is doing the brunt of it. I take care of her bedroom. I actually swing the door wide open and go right in while she's in the living room. My brother won't do that. Mom! you need new sheets. Last time she started to bark something at me, but I ignored it. He can't do that and will walk away before he's done. She says she's washing up and I believe her. She always appears to be fresh and clean.
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Things seem to have reached a status quo for the time being. nothing you can do unless she starts her old games again but maybe she learned her lesson
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This is an update on Mom. For new readers here's a quick recap. Mom fell and fractured her ribs in Sept 2013. Went to rehab, went to assisted living, cried so much that brother took her back to her house against my better judgement. Said he would take care of all her needs. That has been hit or miss. Has become so frustrated with her that he said he won't clean, do laundry etc. Will only bring in food.
Fast forward to today. Brother is across the nation on vacation. Mom fell and fractured her ankle in 3 places. Strong narcotics given, she became severely belligerent (very frighteningly so) med doc wouldn't clear her for surgery. Temporary cast applied for stability. Hospital wouldn't consider her as an inpatient, called it "observation". Forced discharge on the second day. Transferred her to rehab and they really have no idea what to do with her, as she didn't have surgery. Medicare will not pay for rehab and her secondary insurance which had formerly been top of the line refuses also. She is now in her 3rd day of self pay. $460.00 a day is now coming out of her pocket.
Mom is not on Medicaid. She has a house and a little in the bank. Please help me if you know what to do from here. Even a smile or an "I'm here and listening" would be greatly appreciated.
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Wow, Amy. That's rough. Have you sat down with the social worker at the rehab facility to discuss the situation? That's usually a good place to start. If she has calmed down, is there any chance of getting her readmitted to the hospital for surgery, after which she could go back to rehab with Medicare paying for it? I assume she still needs surgery.
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The social worker will see her tomorrow. Weekend admittance is such a pain. Mom is a tough one. I've advised the staff not to let the social worker use her real title. "Patient care advocate" always works for Mom. She HATES social workers for some reason. And yes, surgery is possible. Thank you
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I don't have great advice, just a big hug for you. Please keep us updated...
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Thank you blannie! I needed that :)
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Okay Amy, this is the "nasty fall". You get mom back to the hospital tomorrow am, schedule a consult with a surgeon and geriatric psychiatrist to manage the psychiatric meds. She has surgery and you work with discharge to find the best continuing care facility you can that will accept her as private pay now and Medicaid in the future. If brother or mother says anything about going home, you point out to them that you've cleaned up this s**t this one time and never again. Yes, falls happen anywhere, but ALs have trained nurses on call. Make sure the community you sign her up for has a geripsych that comes in to consult
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Yes, another consult tomorrow AM. Dr who casted her foot is a surgeon I have worked with. Absolutely not my favorite, but not dangerous. I didn't intervene and make her wait for another surgeon because I didn't want her to develop compartment syndrome by waiting any longer. As it turned out she was immobilized and shipped out without surgery.
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Don't know about compartment syndrome, but I'm going to re-emphasize the fact that she needs to be seen by a mental health professional whilst in the hospital. I feel bad for you being forced to pick up the pieces of your mom's poor planning and worse judgement. Is your brother returning soon? I'm hoping that when the geripsych or neurologist sits and explains that your mom has a personality disorder/vascular dementia/mental illness or all three, that he might have an "aha" moment and realize that she can't be left on her own. Especially because she's going to resist using the walker if she's alone and fall again.
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Amy, take care of the medical things only. tell your brother he's in charge of all financial issues--all the expenses, all the paperwork. If he does anything else that goes against your medical decisions for your mother, it's time to let him handle everything.
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I don't know if anyone else has suggested this, but perhaps hiring a geriatric care manager (with mom's funds, let me make that clear) might be the best route to go in managing mom's care from here on in. Your brother and you can both express your opinions about her care, but you'll be getting a professional unbiased opinion about what is in your mom's best interest, without the sibling issues getting in the way.
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Wow. Amy, this turned out at least as badly as you expected. She's clearly no happier at home than in assisted living, and she fell while brother was away (?) so was being left alone quite a bit (?) I know you mentioned she does not have dementia, but the almost delirious reaction to the pain medication and the fact that she is unhappy and nasty point to either that (probably vascular, non-Alzheimer's) or untreated depression. To top that off, she's getting repeated fractures - and has anyone addressed the probability that she has osteoporosis that usually can and should be treated? Big hugs, and prayers for much strength and patience... Brother may have only wanted her to be happy, you almost hate to fault him for trying (and denying) but if he can admit it was a mistake, that will be a huge and positive step towards getting the right things done.
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Brother may have meant well, probably did, but did not have a realistic picture. I'd avoid rescuing this situation. The AL is the safest place for mom. And brother will have plenty to do caring for her there, financial POA, etc.
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ALF may or may not take her back. They will re-evaluate her and if she cannot walk to the dining hall or is still cussin' and fussin' they will have to turn her down. If she can't do the rehab, she has limited options. That means a real Nursing Home or Memory Care facility. Don't feel guilty about this, she made poor choices and suckered bro into her delusions.
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Amy, I hope your Mom's foot surgery goes smoothly and that she can settle into a continuing care facility without fussing to much. I bet you wanted to tell your brother "I told you so", but it appears he now understands.

I have to say this was one of the most interesting and informative threads I have read and I read each and every one of the 80 postings above in one sitting this evening. Amy, thank you so much for coming back on to the threads and answering and giving updates, it helps everyone know if their suggestions were helpful. I wish others who post questions/discussions would do the same as these forums are such a good learning tool.
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