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Hey--tit for tat dtflex......How about some compassion for the person you are caring for? You receive back what you put out. As long as this woman is putting up a firestorm of resistence and resentment, that's all she will create in her experiance. We are here to help each other, not cater to others with politically -correct, warm and fuzzy, enabling rhetoric. No one can drive you crazy...you choose with every moment how to respond. BTW: 6 years now, and Alzheimers.
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Lilly, How long have you been a caregiver? Does your mother also have the health issues such as Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc? These diseases steal the loving parents we used to know. I'm happy you adore your mother. I love mine too but she is driving me crazy. The role of a caregiver is not an easy one and a little compassion for fellow caregivers goes a long way.
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She's lonely. She's drugged. She's depressed. She's older, wiser, and afraid. She also likely spent alot of time when you were little wishing to God she had some time to herself. But- she had a child to raise--a 24 hour job. Her dreams and wishes set aside to be a Mother. Now, she is reduced to being a nuisence in your living room that loans you money, and needs your Love, and you resent that. Man, it sucks to be you. (Hope your children are prepared when it's their turn to "deal" with you.)
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Karen, I'm glad you mom is getting treated for depression. It's possible that she isn't on the right antidepressant - not all of them work for everyone.

Your statement, "I am at the point right now where I truthfully feel I could hurt her or me because I cannnot take it anymore" concerns me.

I urge you to see a doctor for yourself and ask if you may have depression. You also may want to see a counselor about how to work through the guilt you feel with your mother. She knows how to make you feel guilty. If she has dementia, a doctor can help with that, and you can find ways to get help for her. However, if sounds like she gets along fine with others and doesn't have memory problems. One thing to ask yourself is how new this behavior is. Knowing that will help a doctor with a diagnosis.

It's easy to tell someone they don't need to feel guilty, but it's hard for the person with the feeling to drop it. Please seek some help for yourself, as well as your mother.
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Good for you feeling better, Karen! :)

I write this to myself as well: some things we can control, and some things we can't. Those that we can (ourselves) we do. Other people, we cannot. It's easy for me to forget that at times, until I'm painfully reminded.

I think the hardest thing for me, (besides fear of the unknown) is dealing appropriately in a crisis situation. When I'm being asked to act quickly or make difficult decisions during a panic moment, I sometimes have a hard time knowing what to do in new situations. I grew up in a very volatile and abusive home, and don't do well during personally confrontational situations, either. They fill me with anxiety. Subsequently, I become anxious when anticipating a situation (fear). I lose my reasoning power, and clear thinking at times of duress. (That happens when dealing with my mother.) I've come to expect it, so now, have learned, and am learning ways to deal with her more effectively, and see her actions for what they are (also fear-based). She always was difficult to deal with, and I'm told by Physicians that she will become worse in times. We are seeing that, so have no doubt there.

What I am doing though, is getting counseling for myself, and surround myself with loving supportive people and good books. The feedback from this site helps as well. I am not the "bad girl" my mother says I am. She has a problem with multiple Personality Disorders, and I'm educating myself about those, and learning how to deal with them (mostly by distance). I love the distance from her! It's renewing and healthy for me to not be in the constant battle with her. Though I love my mother, I cannot be her caregiver anymore. Her bitter spirit and critical complaining is not good for me to be around. I am thankful that she now has a public guardian who deals with her. I am free to go back to living my life, rather than trying to live trying to please an unreasonable tyrant.

I resisted the court taking over, but now am glad it happened (for the sake of my sanity). I have governmental takeover of anything, most especially my own family. But mother was a handful, and her toxicity was damaging to my marriage, to the peaceful raising of my young son, and my own well-being. Why sacrifice myself any longer? I pray for mom, and hope she gets the care she needs, but know that the other person will have difficulties with her as well. Mom is only happy having her way, and that is not possible in all circumstances. She is cognitively incapacitated, and have many problems. I don't envy anyone having to deal with her. Dad escaped through Alzheimer's. Neither of us has to put up with her outrageous abuse any longer. Though I love my mother, and tried to do everything I could for her, my best was never "good enough" in her eyes. Nothing I did pleased her. I am feeling somewhat relieved to have someone else on the "hot seat." We'll see how things go...from a distance.

I, too, have been helped through things from this site, Karen. Hope you find all the tools you need to navigate the difficult situation you're in. May God guide and bless you!

P.S. Just for the record: I do not advocate to ANYONE that they obtain guardianship. It is a last resort, only. You won't like the results, on the governmental intrusion into your family. We have learned the hard way. We also had no other option. Obtain POA if at all possible for your loved ones, well in advance of a problem. (I realize that is not always possible, as well.) Take care!
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pamela6148, my thoughts are with you. And yes, even though our lives aren't exactly the same, there are a lot of similarities.

Again, I want to thank you all for all of your help. You have all been so kind with your words and intentions.

I know some of you have posted to my "wall." Well, guess what, today, for the very first time I actually found out that I had a wall! I will respond to each of you who took time out to write on my wall and sorry for the delay.

Today I actually feel better. I feel like I am in control and it is NOT a bad thing to want to do things without your mother. It is a normal, healthy thing.
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In reading so many paragraphs of stories I got lost, with all the names but I am certainly glad the panel spoke on feelings that our parents would be better off to go and not have to endure all the pain because the quality of life changes so drastically. I have been ashamed to even say that to anyone and have just been thinking about it, so I'm really glad I'm not the only one.

My sister is back in the hospital for the second time and now it's just me and my moms care giver however now I have to go sleep at my moms house (in her room in the recliner) nightly because my mom says she "feels safe" with me there. Of course she is constantly asking me to get this, get that, do this, do that, the entire time so I get very little sleep. My sister and her family live there with my mom, (that's an entirely whole nother story) but my mom still calls on me.....all the time....

My sister had gastric bypass surgery 6 years ago and now her colon is all twisted and is causing a lot of pain. Last time she went to the hospital, just before Christmas, her husband came and picked up their daughter and brought her to the hospital to be with her mom, therefore I had no help and had to remain at my moms house for 5 days and nights. When the ambulance came the first time, I'd just left there after staying there 4 days, turned around and had to go back for another 5. So while my sister was having a nice vacation in the hospital, I was pulling my hair out and just about going crazy as I was in the middle of trying to find another care giver for my mom. Thank God she has one that we both really agree on liking this time.

This time when my sister went to the hospital, they did the same thing said call Pamela and there I went again. Although this time I called the agency and got help for today, Sunday, I'll still have to go over there tonight @ 7 and stay the night again, and keep doing that until my sister is released. By the way, my sister never even called to tell us, I just called around 3 different Kaisers to find where, and if she'd been admitted. Her not being there puts a real strain on me as I'm already there for 3 days and nights already.

I just got notification that my mom was approved for Medical though, and that will be a relief for me because if I have to keep doing everything myself without help from my sister or her family, I will have to put my mom in assisted living. I have 2 sons that I'm still trying to get straight as well and I have to work with them too.

I've learned a lot from this forum though and as everyone says it's good to know that you're not alone and although every case is different, we all have the same feelings and that let's me know that I'm not totally losing it, although sometime I do feel like I am.

KarenP when you find time for yourself, as I hope to do as well, we will find time for those others as well. Right now there's so much on my mind with my mom, I'd just like to work it all out so that I can be as ease if you know what I mean.
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KarenP, that's what I love about Curves is that it is ALL women, and we face each other in a big circle that is a circuit. You know women, we chat in between exercising. I haven't gone for awhile cause I got burnt out after 4 years, but I didn't give up my membership, so I plan on going back.
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Ics My husband was always jealous of my being able to get out and take a walk on our county bike path but it was his fault to give up on activities and I did it for health reasons also. I also had to take a break from him and use to go out to our sunroom where the TV did not work very well because he always had to have it on and I liked to read and have peace and he always wanted to argue but would not listen to what I had to say though there were times I would talk back just to get him angery so he would go silent and then would do some things for himself and I would get a little peace,
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txmaggie, I live in Virginia. Anyone else live in VA?
naheaton, I do go to the gym, but men are there too-not that I'm opposed to men being there! I don't go to church, but could do some activities there true.
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KarenP, I have met most of my friends that I've had for years at church. Also I was thinking that if you had a Curves not too far away, that would be another place. That would serve double duty by getting your body healthy while you work off some stress. It's a lot cheaper than going to a gym, plus it's only women which I like best. Anyway, those are the two places that came to mind.
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Hi Karen, give us a whereabouts you live and maybe there are some caregivers in the area who can meet for lunch or something......
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Dear Karen - Please don't feel ASHAMED that you don't have any friends (except for one who has lung cancer). It doesn't sound like you have had any extra TIME or ENERGY lately to develop friendships what with your mother demanding so much and you working at starting up a home business. I am sure you will get some email friends but you need at least one friend NEARBY. I imagine the caregivers who have been taking part in this discussion that you started (and it has been a WONDERFUL discussion so kudos to you for starting it!!) will come up with some ideas on how you can become a friend with someone nearby. AND thanks for keeping us all up-to-date on what is happening with your mom. Please continue to keep us posted.

naheaton, you asked if the mothers who are making their caregivers so desperate now were always they way they are presently. txmaggie gave what I thought was a good answering explanation. As for my mother, yes - she was always the way she is now. There are reasons why this was so and ever since my two sisters and I can remember, we always felt sorry for her and that's why we spent at least the first forty years of our lives doing whatever we could to try to make her happy. This warped all three of us and it has taken me nearly thirty years to somewhat recover (but down deep I still feel I have failed my mother and I have 'failing' dreams many times).

So you see, Secretsister - I have NOT escaped - I am still in the process of escaping. It has been a difficult struggle but fortunately now I can feel sorry for my mom without feeling that it is my DUTY to try to make her life perfect. Now everything I do for her is done with LOVE and that is a much better feeling. I don't know what you think but I doubt that a person can ever totally leave behind the conditioning that was experienced for years and years. There are always scars left as reminders.

lhardebeck, I enjoy reading your comments. You sound like you know what you will and what you won't do. Your idea of going to another room when you need a break is what I do too when I can't go outside for a break from all my husband's health-related problems. My favourite break is a long walk (fortunately we live in the countryside). My husband is envious of me being physically able to take these walks but I have a good excuse. My doctor has told me that my bones are deteriorating and that walking is something I should do. Pretty good excuse, eh? So I strengthen my bones and de-stress at the same time. Two for the price of one!!!

txmaggie, you raised the question we all are going to have to face - how do we want to be dealt with when we are old and sick? One of my sisters says she hopes when she reaches a certain point, she KNOWS she has reached THAT point so that she can go out into a blizzard with a bottle of Bailey's Irish Creme and "slip away". How's that for a solution? :-) Cheers, everyone!
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I hope you get support and I am sure you will this site has been so great-I do not know how I would have survived the last few years caring for my husband if not for the saints here that gave me love and support-my husband passed away 6 months ago and I am trying to give back the help I received during the last few years, and you will be a blessing to others even though you can't see that at this time you can always go to my wall and I will get a notation and will answer you-I am alone now and have health problems so have to take breaks often and usually get on this site a lot this site saved my sanity and want to help others when I can.
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Okay, here's an update on todays appointment at the doctors. The doctor increased my mother's sertraline (Zoloft) to 100mg or g or tons or whatever the unit is for the depression medication, and added 5mg of Aricept for memory. Mom came over today and asked me the same questions over and over and over again. I found myself becoming agitated at her continued questioning the same thing every two minutes. I have to be kinder to her. Memory loss is not her fault.

The dr. did not say anything about her seeing a psychiatrist, but she does have a follow up appointment in a month to see if any of the meds make a difference.

I am EXTREMELY ASHAMED to admit this, but I have no friends at all. My ONE friend who still lives in NJ has stage four lung cancer and is in a nursing facility now. Other than him, who is my best friend and always will be, I have no other friends. Because my family is so small, me, mom, two children and that's it, I really feel isolated.

I lost my job in February of last year and have been unemployed since then. Anyway, I was wondering if any of you lovely, kind people would be interested in emailing me (or is that not allowed, I don't know). I would really love to have an email friend and someone who has caregiving in common is just the icing on the cake.

I hope I'm not coming across as too desperate, but if any of you are interested, please let me know how we can email each other.

To all of you who have answered my LONG posts, thank you.
You have lifted me out of the misery I was in and given me direction and hope. I really value all of your opinions.
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Awwww, txmaggie. That's an interesting perspective for you, seeing as though you just lost your mom. wow. Heart to you.
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Frances P, I'm going back to your post about sucking your soul dry and people living too long. My mom was 92 when she died. For several years before that, before her dementia got too bad for her to express herself, she would tell me that she was tired of living, couldn't see, couldn't hear, could no longer do the handiwork she so enjoyed, couldn't even walk without assistance, couldn't always make it to the bathroom in time. She said no one should have to live as long as she had, that she firmly believed everyone should die at age 75. Now, her number may have been a bit arbitrary, but I totally get her point. Yes, there are parents who have been manipulators all their lives, and some who became manipulators as age and/or dementia ate at their lives, security, independence, control, dignity. I like to think that many of our parents, many years ago when they still had all their brain cells firing, would HATE to see us so torn apart, would HATE to see the life blood sucked out of us. I think they would understand when we wish for them to die. It is so sad that so many of us have come to this. It is so sad that there is no simple answer. I recently saw "Harold and Maude", and Maude set 80 as her final age and acted upon it. I'm kinda with Maude.
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Dear sanityLost, I appreciate your emotional honesty. I'm rooting for you that your sanity isn't lost, just temporary insanity. You sound perfectly sound to me, and realistic. It is what it is, and you're a trooper, not a victim. Bravo! Some Caregivers are heros! And some just want to do things different. We need each other, sometimes, to make healthy changes. And sometimes we just want to be heard and understood. It's so good to know we're not alone, and to have a place to vent that when our parents struggles hurt us, we can find people to encourage us.
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Thank you SanityLost! It isn't so easy to "escape" as so many have said.
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FrancesP GOD BLESS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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Karen- I completely understand what you're saying. I was hoping to read through the answers and see if there was any advise that I could use as well.

My situation is a bit different, as I moved into my moms house to care for her. I'm married with children and they live at my house. My mom is on hospice and needs 24 hour care. Mom has been on hospice for 2 years now and it just keeps getting harder and harder.

You can't force an adult to go anywhere they don't want to go. Unless they're a danger to themselves or need care that can not be performed in the home, she can stay at the house. Which means that I have to stay and take care of her. My dad passed in 2004 and mom is 74 and I have no siblings or extended family. Most of her friends are in the same shape or worse. I am completely isolated.

I used to work a full time job which I had to cut back to part time. I fear losing my job at any moment. Mom agreed to let me hire a caregiver for the time I am at work. Many people tell me to quit my job and have mom pay me what she is paying the caregiver. I need the time away.

Mom wants all my attention. I am so worn out and tired. I can completely relate to you and how parents can zap your energy. None of my friends can understand it, and I've been zinged on here with people telling me how lucky I am that my mom is still here and that I'm lucky to be able to take care of her. Her condition makes her agitated and verbally aggressive. If I tell her I need time to bathe she say's "Oh I wish I could have a bath, you're so lucky to be able to indulge yourself". If having a bath every 3 days is indulgent, then I'm a very luck gal!

I won't whine on about how terrible it is to not have a moments peace. I think what I am saying is that I take a little bit of comfort in knowing that there is someone on this site that isn't sugar coating the bad stuff. I'm sorry I can't help with a solution, and I don't think there is one. Guilt and parenting are as old as time and we are stuck. I mean STUCK, for some of the perky, get yourself out of your own self pity, put yourself in their shoes, get volunteers in to help you...blah blah blah. Sometimes it is what it is, and right now it SUCKS!
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Please understand, dementia is the loss of cognitive function because of the destruction of brain tissue. Depending on what areas of the brain are affected, determines what kinds of behavior or loss of skill you will see. I have seen very meek, quiet ladies develop "Truck drivers" mouths, because their frontal lobes of their brains (the area that controls behavior and social skills) are being attacked and destroyed. There are many great resources out there to educate yourself. The individual with dementia KNOWS they are losing their skills ("losing their minds"). They just can't explain it, or verbalize what is happening so the "retreat" or isolate themselves. This only perpetuates the downward spiral. They are reaching out for help! But you don't have to be the only person to provide that help. There are many great resources, ie: support groups, senior day programs, respite programs, assisted livings that specialize in dementia care!!! Utilize those resources, for yourself and your loved one!
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Frances--AMEN
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A couple of days ago I was with a dear friend who has a grandmother-in-law that is 91 and is self-centered, uncooperative, and mean. She refuses to give up her independence and needs 24 hour care. This friend's MIL (the aforementioned grandmother-in-law's daughter) has dementia as a result of a brain tumor and is in assisted living. My mother has dementia, and health issues, and my father has narcissistic personality disorder and some health issues (they are 81 and 80 years old respectively). I said to my friend, "I really think it is time for my parents to move along" (as in go over the rainbow bridge). My friend looked at me and said, "You don't know how many times I think the same thing about ***'s grandmother! I know it sounds mean, but it is just too much already." Yes, this is probably not too PC, but it is the truth. I think many of us believe that we are being awful and hateful when we wish that our loved ones would just close their eyes one day and not awaken. What is the quality of life that our loved ones have with horrible illness and the demands made on the family? It gets to the point where it is not tolerable. It sucks your soul dry. You are dealing many times with a person who is no longer the same person you loved and wanted to be with. I just think people are living too damn long!!!! I have learned from my experiences and my friends' experiences that I never want to do this to my child or to my spouse. I will leave written instructions that if I am not sound in mind, then my child and husband are to ignore my attempts at manipulation and guilt-tripping. Don't abandon me, but don't be taken in by my craziness either.
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i remebered few years ago when dad was in the hospital . he would make me and my brother sit in the chair and watch him sleep . me and my brother would grin and wait till he sleeps then we snuck away . then dad would wake up and find us gone !!! heeheeeheee . we flat out told dad that we have a life and are not goingto sit in thatchair , sorry pa !!
i am the type of a person that nobody can tell me what to do . ill sit for a few but not all day not al night . i refuse to be told no ! i done listen from the time i was born up till i got married and now i am a grown adult and a grandma , raised all 3 of my kids and no my father will not tell me what to do cuz he knows i wont do it unless i think i needed to .
he did get upset and whine abotit then he realized im a grown woman . i will leave the house and he would tell my daughter oh im having chest pains . mydaughter would call me and tell me ,thinkin i zoom back home . i told my daughterto give him his nitro pills . he found out his lit game didnt work so he gave up . just as long as he can stay at my home and he just going to have to accept it that his baby girl is not going to be told what to do .
i go in myfamilyroom while he s in living room. yes i ill sit and watch movies with him and hang out with him . wheni need a break , family room is where i go .
i cant believe some of you would just sit there and let them control over you . its tough love and let them know ure not a small child . you will run the household not them ..
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My question is, are these life sucking mothers acting any different now, as opposed to when you were all kids? Is the dementia/Alzheimer's making a personality change in them, or is this 'normal' behavior for them? I've often wondered why it seems that some people who get dementia are nice, and some become the life suckers. Does Alzheimer's cause a person who was a wonderful, generous, kind person when they were younger, to become mean and hateful? What do those people who are dealing with the 'life suckers' think?
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lcs, you escaped. Many others of us struggle. You have said some correct things, and we should ask ourselves what God would have us do. Thanks for pointing that out. Pray for those who are struggling. It's difficult to escape a lifetime of conditioning, and sometimes painful.

Karen, you have made some positive steps! And forgive me if I sounded harsh. Breaking 45 years is not easy. Mammas know what makes us tick, makes us jump, and makes us cry. And they know how to get what they want. Sad :( but true. I just started a book I think you'll like: "Tears and Healing; The journey to the light after an abusive relationship," by Richard Skerrit. I found it online and she doesn't know it, but my mom bought it for me for Christmas. It will help you understand some things and give you tools for making the changes you desire. My heart and prayers are with you.

So many of you are struggling with similar issues. This grieves me, but makes me feel no so alone. What a dark world we live in sometimes. Here we are, caring for our loved ones, and finding hurt and difficulties along the way. Many do not understand, but some do. It's a valley experience, though I'm hoping we come out OK. Bless you Caregivers for all you do, but remember it's important to also take care of you!
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To all those caregivers out there who feel like their mothers are sucking out their lifeblood, I would like to know why you all CONTINUE to let it happen? Is it for financial reasons? Lack of enough money for necessities like parent care is a real bummer and if this is the reason you continue to be abused then I truly feel sad about your situation. BUT lack of enough money to do anything else is the only reason I can understand for any of you allowing your mothers to slowly kill you. Do you believe God's plan for you is to die because of your mother's neediness and unappreciative nature? Do you believe that God "thinks" your needs are less important than your mother's needs? that your uniqueness is less valuable than your mother's uniqueness? I just don't understand this "mother worship" thing. I don't believe that honouring your mother and your father means allowing the parents to control their ADULT children's lives or means that the adult children are to act like fairy godmothers that have to try to grant all their mothers/fathers wishes. But this is just MY opinion. Please explain YOURS so that I can understand better why some/many(?) of you think otherwise.
I have a mother who would probably have made my sisters and me very sick in the last two years if we had not finally used some tough love on her. As kids and young adults we spent years and years trying to please her and trying to meet her needs (and of course we always came up short). Then we smartened up and tried hard to be just ourselves. Finally in the last two years tough love was the only route we could take. Now my sisters and I are still relatively sane :-), our mother will soon be celebrating her 96th birthday, AND an elderly gentleman in the assisted living facility where they both live has a "crush" on her!!!! How much better can life get???
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Karen I can certainly relate to your situation. My mom lives with me and won't do any activity without me. During the work week I have a caretaker stay with her while I am at work. About the only thing she will allow the caretaker to do is to take her to a doctor appointment. I call her from work each afternoon and she always wants to know when I will be home. Once I get home and fix dinner she wants me to stay with her and all she really does is sit in her recliner and snooze. I can't go anywhere or do anything since she wants me to sit next to her. I try to take her to the store or the mall on the weekend and she stays a short time and says she can't walk anymore and wants to go home. She refuses to use the motorized carts at the store and I haven't figured out how to push a wheelchair and a grocery cart at the same time. When she does talk she either argues with me or relates an old story for the 50th time. I guess what I am trying to say is that yes, I understand that your mother is sucking the life out of you. You are made to feel you are only there for her and the world revolves around her needs and no one else. You mom still has her faculties so try set those boundaries people keep talking about. My mom's Parkinson's disease has compromised her memory so she can't remember the boundaries so it is impossible to set them. I really don't have any advise other than to say you're not alone. Good luck and I'll say a prayer for all of us caregivers.
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Hi again, forgot to tell you that I am a 58 yr. old divorcee who cannot have friends over because she doesn't like the noise, can't date any men because she runs them off with her rudeness and can't go out (even downtown) because she gets mad.

Yes, my mom is a master manipulator and I need to have it stop. I told my sisters that they need to help me with her but it really didn't make a difference. They don't like being around her because she's so difficult...but we do love her and want to keep her comfortable.

She refuses to designate power of attorney paperwork, refuses to show us where she keeps her will, funeral arrangements, etc. She acts like she doesn't remember anything but she remembers her money, accounts, and finances. She refuses to pay for anything the insurance and Medicare won't cover even if she needs it. She's a total TRIP!

Karen, I do it 24 hrs. a day--and never stop. It's totally wrecked my health and life. She is slowly killing me and I am letting her. I can't leave her or move out--I don't know what to do but I do look forward to my monthly 'holiday.' I will keep you in my prayers--
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