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I have to vent to someone. My mother's house is so cluttered. She has so much furniture and so much stuff that it is impossible to clean. Her bedroom is beyond description because of her mental problems. She has two quilts spread out on the floor and two huge suitcases at the foot of her bed. She has blankets stuffed under the bed. There is so much furniture in there. I've tried to straighten it, but she quickly undoes anything I do to return it to a state of filthy chaos.

She does the same to the living room. She has medications, lotions, and toilet products accumulated over the years set out on the tables so they will be handy. Cough medicines, eye drops, nose sprays, toilet tissue, Kleenex, multiple water bottles, ... I try to keep it down, but she puts it back out. If I say anything, the answer is that it is her house and she will do what she wants. Well, her house is nasty and cluttered and I hate living in it.

It's not a dementia thing. It has been like this since first three kids left home. People tell me that I should just do the best I can and let other things slide, but the truth is that it makes me ashamed.

I wish my mother weren't so dominant. It would be easy to fix things if she weren't so insistent that everything has to be for her convenience. And she absolutely refuses to get rid of things. I cleaned out the initial hoard, but the excess furniture, bedding, and ton of clothes are a hoarding stronghold. She has things stuffed about like she is trying to keep evil spirits out. She occupies most of the house, so I feel like I can't even go out of my room without being disgusted. And I am so darned tired of cleaning while she sits in her chair watching TV all day long. And I feel ashamed that, as capable as I am, that I cannot work against the tide of disorganization and filth that owns the house.

Vent over.

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I've done an insane amount of research on this as I'm the child of a hoarder too and I'd like to inject some reality here. In most states social services and APS will not act to force a hoarder to clean or into healthier circumstances if they appear mentally competent otherwise. There has to be a level of filth that would get the house condemned most times before they'd act. Not my personal experience, but I know people on the internet whose parents live in horrific conditions that APS came in, said ok they are competent, and walked away. Children of hoarders are in a terrible bind. Once the parent becomes elderly suddenly the "it's not my problem you are an adult responsible for yourself" stance of the the adult child that gave them a chance of having this not consume their life isn't ok anymore, suddenly society sees us as responsible for "letting her live that way". Never mind that she insisted with terrible anger all her life to live exactly as she chose, but now she's old so suddenly the adult child is holding the bag. Guess this is a hot button for me as it's been a burden all my life. Forgive the rant, it just frustrates me that this is seen as some easily resolvable issue when it's moral quicksand for the adult children of hoarders and the legal support is very thin if non-existent in many states.

JessieBelle, do you have any leverage? Could you threaten to move out unless she allows you to make the house more livable? Is moving out even a possibility for you? She greatly benefits from you being there and it's your home too now. If you haven't found some of the wonderful resources on the internet for children of hoarders please do some Googling, it will help. You have nothing to be ashamed of, this is one tenacious disorder that brings the families down a tough road.
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Dealing with the contents of my mother's house was a horrible emotional experience.I am not exaggerating, 200 paintings on the walls,this was a small garden home and these were not small paintings.So much furniture she could barely weave around with her walker.4 walking closets,huge closets ,so filled up that when you opened the door stuff fell out and it didn't make a dent in the rest of the stuff in the closet. Clothes that still had the tag on them,so many clothes.I knew she shopped to feel good, like a gambler's high,she has always been like this. I now believe the hoarding behavior started when my father started getting ill 15yrs. ago,she even had those little sheds you can get from Lowes' or Home Depot and they were filled to the brim.Thankfully those sheds were at her previous home and she was still up and about,driving, and I refused to be sucked in to dealing with that mess when she moved.But when she moved to my house I told her any china she wanted, and there was a LOT of china, would have to fit in the 4 ,8ft.tall,about 4ft wide china cabinets.I knew that with all my dogs that something would break. I didn't buy my home and set it up to accomodate china and besides according to mom I am clumsy and break things even at 56.It was a cold ,cold Feb. morning when I sat outside of her house watching the movers,I cried like I never cried before, even though I don't like her I felt sorry for her.To give her the kind of care she needed and not be in an AL or NH 2 households had to be combined. For years she complained about me not having any furniture,(with 6 dogs why do I need so much furniture,I like the Spartan look,less to dust).Thankfully for her I was this way or else she couldn't have moved the furniture she did to my house as there would have literally been"no room at the inn."My mother did what I call "high end hoarding",clothes,jewelry,lots of antique furniture, she had at least 4 complete china dinner services that stayed in closets and never saw the light of day until the estate sale.I felt like the worst daughter ever, that I was stealing even though all the money went to her accounts.I was so overwhelmed by the volume of contents in the house I finally cried in front of her and was honest about I have no help,I am an only child, that I didn't know what to do.Her response was to show me a diagram where ALL her stuff would be placed in my house, basically move her hoard to my house,OH H*LL NO! She even wanted me to put the same kind of sheds she had had in my yard, NOT GONNA HAPPEN! She couldn't understand what my problem was. It wasn't until I told her I was going to call her minister to come by because I knew when this man saw what I was dealing with he would help her with the reality of the situation. She didn't take me up on it, reality isn't her big strength,doesn't have dementai just a big ole narcissist.
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This level of filth (your word) is not healthy for you or for your mother. I guess i would wonder, if APS came in, would they accept "she's still in her right mind and i can't make her do otherwise". I'd take pictures to her doctor and id ask him to write you a letter, certifying that your mother is competent and responsible for her own well being. Explain that you are afraid you will be charged with neglect by "the authorities" if EMS or APS ever shows up. I'm hoping this will prick his conscience and he will be spurred into helping get her placed, for her own safety.

I know you weren't asking for advice. Feel free to ignore it.
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I often wonder how much of this behavior we are seeing in our parents who went through the Depression and had very little? I know Mother holds on to the weirdest things, which make no sense to me (I too, keep a Spartan house!!) and the clutter and bags and piles of stuff--does it makes them feel more secure? She has about 30 pairs of scissors, when 2 or 3 would certainly suffice--and the clothes! Luckily, she would part with her sets of china to some of the daughters (not me, my house was not deemed "nice enough") but I wouldn't have taken them anyway. She will not live long enough to use up the bars of soap she has stashed away. And a BARGAIN? She bought a 5' bright orange stuffed Easter Bunny b/c it was 75% off. And she got an extra 15% off because she's a senior. So now she has this garish thing on her bed. It's not even something with sentimental value!
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I can tell we need a special group on the board "Adult children of hoarders." I dream of my house with its big rooms, bright walls, and sparse furniture. I love a house where you can walk across the floor without kicking your toe or banging your knee on something.

Midkid, I like your paperwork file. A few weeks after my father died I bought a huge shredder and spent about a week shredding boxes of files dating back to the 1980s. Every bit of bank, medical, utility, and financial information was saved. The boxes occupied the entire dining room. My mother wasn't too happy with my shredding, but she liked having her dining room back.

One thing that I did like when she was taking the Remeron is that my mother got motivated to shred all of her bank statements -- about 20 years worth of them that included monthly statements for about 10 CDs, in addition to her savings and checking accounts. She worked on it for 3 days, but got it done. That was nice. The only trouble came when getting her to stop shredding things. She liked shredding so much that she was looking for stuff to put in the machine -- cardboard, bags, anything. I had to rescue my shredder before she killed it. It was the Remeron that did that a bit obsessive. It's funny now thinking back on it, not so funny at the time. Anyway... it was nice to see her get into the spirit of cleaning things up. Too bad the Remeron was too much for her, since it gave her some energy.
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Are you saying it's a 5 foot orange rabbit or was that size a type? LOL! This last cleanup of my mom's current room came to a head this last hospitalization when the paramedics couldn't get into her room because of all the furniture she had to "have",All they could get in was the stretcher,so we placed the stretcher at the end of the bed , I crawled up on the bed and got her to lay crosswise on the bed, one of the paramedics crawled over her bed to the other side and he and I basically lifted/pulled her down the bed to get to the stretcher.The paramedic then had to crawl back over the bed to get out,thanfully despite mother's constant screaming this whole time(it was a musle spasm) if this had been a real emergency they wouldn't even have been able to get most of their equipment in her room.So safety helped me get over the guilt and I got her a kick *ss hospital bed ,doesn't look like one, electric with battery backup.Had to get rid of her bed , she doesn't like to admit it but the new bed has made her a little more independent as she can get in and out of the bed easier and safely,but oh the comments I got about how I just love to throw "all her stuff in the garbage".Ha, that would be impossible, they don't make dumpsters that big.
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As I've skimmed over the posts, I've been wondering about the relationship of American materialism to collecting if not hoarding.

I've always felt that materialism is rampant, and dominant in American culture. I'm sure it exists in other industrial and post industrial countries as well. Marketers make sure that we feel inadequate if we don't have picture perfect white teeth, beautiful smiles, molded (if not through a gym, through plastic surgery) features, expensive cars...you name it....there's an alleged positive and socially accepted influence for so much of the goods produced and sold.

"Things" are apparently seen as status symbols, indicative of a certain kind of wealth. The more visible symbols of wealth you have, the more you can (a) impress the neighbors, compete with the "Joneses", (b) feel wealthy (c) feel good about yourself.

Could this by reflected in some of the people who do end up compulsively collecting? Could it be a method by which they are trying to fill fulfilled for some inadequacy in their life, or in some perverted way to feel as if they still have status even as they segue into poverty and unhealthy living?

Just some thoughts that popped into my mind....
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GA, I think there are different reasons for hoarding. I think some people hoard for sentimental reasons; others hoard to distance themselves from people (like building a fort around them); still others hoard because they are lazy or disorganized. Of course, there are many hoarders are obsessive/compulsive buyers that can't stop. I think the final type are the ones that often start after something bad happens to them.

Ultimately, serious hoarders do end up building a fort around themselves. Their family and company can't visit because there is no room to sit or sleep, and the house is too disgusting. So the hoarders become isolated in their forts. To the world they can seem like normal people. To see their homes can be a shock.

Something that is funny now. My father spent his last 20 years sitting in a chair all day. He built a fort of plastic baby-wipe boxes around his chair. I thought he probably had all the things he used in the boxes. After he died, I started to work removing the fort. The boxes were almost empty. Some of them had one or two worthless trinkets in them, but otherwise there was nothing. It was like the twilight zone when I realized it was just a fort, instead of being anything useful.
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What, doesn't everyone keep all those margarine tubs, aluminum pie plates and take out containers???

I am the lucky recipient of all the family heirlooms, things that just couldn't be sold or given away but nobody seems to want; quilts, china, pictures and the like. I have an ugly blanket woven on a loom by my great grandmother from home spun yarn... what can you do with stuff like that???
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So...no takers on that orange rabbit? Darn.
I agree..it's not the actual home, it's the junk. Mother had a huge house jampacked with stuff we had to pare down to fit into the smaller apt. It was beyond horrible.I grew up in the house my folks left and after cleaning for 3 years, I was glad to see it sold. I do not and never will understand the need for all the junk. I wish I could get mother to buy things for Humanitarian packages that I make...instead of more books, puzzles and clothes. But she won't part with a nickel. She complains nonstop about barely getting by on her SS checks, but she always has new clothes, and PLENTY of "toys". I'm really trying to be patient..and in the end I WILL "win"...so as long as I am the only one bothered by this, I will just grin, bear it and try to do a little each week.
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